Posted by idisagree (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 1:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

But that’s the beauty of the United States — our forefathers fought and died to give us those freedoms>>> Well who died to give us our freedom from sin ???People can be wrong in the manner in which they go about trying to convert coworkers etc... to God,but not for the very act.If you disagree with this then go to the goodbook for your authority because God's word far outways your opinion or my opinion or anybody elses opinion for that matter.God is our ultimate judge and we should encourage others to seek him,but be careful that we display a Christian attitude when we do so.

Posted by 4AU (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 7:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

You are entitled to your opinion as much as anyone else, however, I find it offensive that you are stereotyping people from Alabama as being "close-minded". I guess only people from Alabama send "...racist, bigoted, close-minded email forwards...". I think that you are being as close-minded as those people you are referring to.

Posted by Festus (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 7:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Lauren,
I read your letter more than two hours ago got up left the web page your letter to the editor ate at me until I had to come back and respond. I will be as breif as possible and do not intend to hurt your feelings.
First of all let me tell you I am born and bred of the state of Alabama,(that, to you may be my problem,). I was raised to understand that we all have opinions and we are able to express them by man made laws and God given rights. These rights are what allowed you to write your letter without fear.
With that being said let me begin.
I can't help but wonder if you ever said to one of your friens sending you the e-mails that they offended you ? If not - why not? I foward many of these, ( I really thought the limousine one was great) but to friends I know feel the way I do that this administration will destory this great state and country as I know it.
As for the christians, I belive if you search,or google Christianity you will find Catholics to be part of that family.Muslims, not so much, but as you said thats another story.
You also said"You might argue that our forefathers created our nation to be a nation of God" Not "of" but under, my belief there is under the rule of God, again my opinion. And if you do belive what the Bible teaches no place is the wrong place to to try to reach a soul for Christ.It's part of a christians duty to show his love for Christ and his brother. I do belive homosexuals are doing damage to this country but will not destory it.
As I read you're letter I felt as though you were like most liberals that you shared your opinion but the right needs to keep their mouth shut.
In closing let me urge you to contact the friends and family that have offend you with their calls and e-mails, I'm sure they'll stop.

Posted by Estragon (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 8:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Lauren, what a beautiful letter. I await the day when religious fundamentalism, bigotry, and intolerance (the things you mentioned in your letter) reach a tipping point and begin to self-destruct. Just as Europe went through the Dark Ages, but finally emerged into the Enlightenment, surely Alabama will one day come out of the cave of ignorance and into the sunlight of reason.

If someone finds offensive the stereotype of Alabamians as closed-mind, racist bigots, I say to them, "read history."

Posted by alhm (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 8:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Am I the only person that remembers Lauren sending a letter to the editor a few years ago? It was once again on the subject of how people in Andalusia are backwards rednecks, blah, blah, blah. I know Lauren and she did leave Andalusia with something of a "chip" on her shoulder. I would suggest to you, Lauren, to find something better to do with your time up there in Salt Lake City then to write letters to "backwoods" Andalusia. I am also a little dissapointed in the Editor for printing this letter. I would have hoped that the Editor would have been more proud of this town and it's people than to share the opinon of someone who never got over "bad highschool experiences."

Posted by admin23 (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 9:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I as well agree with Festus and alhm. As far as, Alabama coming out of the cave of ignorance, if the cave of ignorance that we live in is the cave of God's love and the ability to trust in our Lord, for our Lord to be able to pull us through the tough economic times that our country is in..I'll stay in my cave of ignorance. I prefer it.

Lauren, you may feel you live somewhere else and have the knowledge of the South to where you can speak of it in such a nature, you have no knowledge of the way things are, but a few. As Fetus stated before, speak with those people, just as you say the others were categorized, you have not only done the same but the same things you listed above as the emails were doing to you.

So sorry you have such a hard heart for Alabama and our beliefs in our Lord. I will pray for you tonight. God Bless.

Posted by 4AU (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 9:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Estragon--

History is just that. People that continue to live in it are what keeps it alive. Every person in Alabama is not a bigot or a racist. There are racists and bigots in every part of the world.

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 9:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ms Yant: Your comment "I live far enough away that those things aren’t realities for me anymore; however, they are the daily torture of several of my friends and family who still call Alabama home" has a very simple solution. May I suggest that your tortured friends and family find their way to Montgomery, Mobile or Birmingham and choose any interstate highway in any direction and depart from this area of torture. The grand part of being American is that you have the freedom to choose where and how you want to live! You are 100% correct when you state that we all have differing opinions. Your words, and I quote, "And last, but not least, consider that just because someone’s different than you does not mean they are a bad person. In fact, you might be able to learn something from them. And no, that doesn’t equal abandoning your beliefs" end quote, makes my point completely! Those dastardly emails senders are not bad either! I have received emails that I considered offensive; I simply deleted them! Your email problem is easily solved by simply notifiying the senders to halt forwarding objectional material to you! In closing, there is no debate about America being founded on Christian principles, She was, and if people do not like the foundation upon which our country was founded, I would like to suggest a boat going in any direction in the Pacific, Atlantic or Gulf of Mexico! Anyone has the freedom to leave!

Posted by purelogic (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 10:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Lauren: You are sending your letter to the wrong people. If someone has sent you something offensive, then you need to go to the source. These are the folks you need to stand up and confront that you do not wish to receive such e-mails etc.

I feel that we are somewhat alike in our beliefs. I certainly don't buy every conspiracy theory that crosses my door. However, if it bothered me, as it seem to do you to the point it does, I would tell my "friends" not to send me this garbage anymore. I certainly wouldn't tell the whole readers of the Star News how much my friends annoyed me!

If it's just the kind of e-mails that are all in "good fun", we should all learn to laugh at our own beliefs as well as others and not to jump to the offensive side. I know folks in most of the realms you speak. I can still laugh at them, as well as myself.

Wherever you go Lauren, people are not going to see things the same way that you do. This is a simple fact. If you think they do, just try talking politics and religion with them. Perhaps the folks in the south here are more straight up with their opinions. That makes me think more of them however, and not so much less as you seem to think from it.

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 10:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Estragon: Your comments and I quote,"surely Alabama will one day come out of the cave of ignorance and into the sunlight of reason. If someone finds offensive the stereotype of Alabamians as closed-mind, racist bigots, I say to them, "read history" is actually a bit of good advice from you. And in taking that bit of advice from you, I would suggest that people reading this blog, please re-read your posts, your history, plus the rebuttals to your posts in "Who are the real racists". Your previous posts and this current post proves that you are all about the very thing you continually criticize! "Out of the caves of ignorance" you say? That comment alone proves...AGAIN that you are the obstinate, intolerant, prejudiced person... which, by the way, is the definition of Bigot! You can not have it both ways. You either fight bigots by NOT being one or you continue to be one and lose your footing for legitimacy!

Posted by lookeyhere (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 11:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

It seems like nowdays you have to watch what you say someone may be offended.Whats funny is most of these people that are complaining, have had it easy or was probably a spoiled brat growing up.Hell,when Obama was elected president I was offended,you don't see me crying about it.

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 11:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

purelogic: You made some very good points! Going to the source of aggravating emails is the way to handle email problems. I appreciate your post!

Posted by tired (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 11:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I am so tired of people downing others for having a religion and conservative beliefs, just because they have a "right". Just as you have a right to spout off about how backwards and close minded we are, I have a right to say that you and others like you are what is wrong with this world. I have a right to practice my religion and beliefs, if that offends you, you have the right to walk away. We both have our rights, get over it. If you are glad you left here then why are you still worried about what goes on here. You left, stay gone...take your friends with you, believe me we will not suffer.

Posted by WAtidefan (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 12:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LoyalAmerican, your response to Estragon is brilliant. Thank you!
For me, Ms. Yant's letter is another great example of the intolerance of liberals. And Ms. Yant, I happen to live in a area where the vast majority of people are liberal and guess what? They assume that I am just as liberal as they are. These "enlightened" ones have no problem openly criticizing Christians, Southerners and conservatives as being closed minded, bigoted, racist and just plain ignorant. But, at the same time they call themselves open minded, all embracing, all accepting global citizens. The truth is liberals accept all opinions, views and beliefs as long as those opinions, views and beliefs are exactly the same as the ones they hold.
May I make the following suggestion for your tortured family and friends: As the saying goes: If you don't like the way we do things in the South, Delta's flyin'.

Posted by andy2utah (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 1:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

(This is Lauren) Please note that in my letter I specifically say I am talking mostly about emails forwarded at WORK. Work is not the right place to argue political/religious beliefs. And regarding my going straight to the source to ask to not receive email forwards, I have done that. But again, I am mostly referring to people who still live in Andalusia and get them frequently, and they fear saying anything because they could lose their jobs or be further ostracized. Also, (again), I never called anyone a "redneck" or stereotyped people in this letter. The reason I am talking about people from Alabama is because that is the people with which I have experience, and that is where my affected friends/family live. If I had lived anywhere else, I would have discussed the political/religious climate there. Those of you who have accused me of stereotyping and referring to Alabamians as "rednecks" are projecting.

Furthermore, to the person that referred to my "bad experiences in high school," I would like to know what those bad experiences were (because clearly, I must have forgotten them). My high school experience wasn't any worse than anyone else's. I was a big nerd, admittedly, but I was a cheerleader who made good grades and had what I considered to be a decent amount of friends. I was also a devout Christian, and I lived my life the way that many of you think I should. I didn't drink or smoke, and I was always busy witnessing and spreading the good word of the Bible (at least, that's what I thought at the time). Sure, there were trivial teenage issues that arose (as they always do), but I made it out okay and hold no grudges. In fact, I delight at looking at many of my high school friends' blogs and seeing how their families have grown.

To Estragon: Thanks so much for your note. It is great to see that there is someone there who "gets it."

Posted by Reader (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 1:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I do agree with many of Ms. Yant's points. I think it is important to inform yourself before spreading any email message that hits your inbox. Snopes.com and factcheck.org are both great resources to insure that messages passed on are true. Additionally, I can see where Ms. Yant is coming from by pointing out that many people assume that what they believe is what you believe. I have sat next to a Jewish friend as a prayer was said- a prayer to Jesus. I know how uncomfortable she was at having to be a party to prayer against her beliefs. This was at a public, non-religious event that gave no prior notice of this prayer. To respect the feelings and beliefs of others does not mean you have to abandon the beliefs of your own. So I can see where Ms. Yant is coming from. I have lived outside Alabama and in more populous areas, people often do not assume anything about your beliefs. I do not believe it is an Alabama or outside Alabama thing- I think it is more a small town or larger area situation.

Posted by TD (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 1:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Lauren the old saying is if you don't love Alabama get the hec out, which you did. But now you choose to send a ugly letter to the paper stating your dislike for the people and their views in Alabama and our town. I think the best thing you can do is change your email address cut all ties here and please do not write our paper. If you do not like our views that is fine but do not subject us to yours. because we do not care. And by the way Estrogen why you remain in Alabama escapes me. You might want to take a trip to Salt Lake, an extended trip. And as for as God you may need him one day and believe you will. I just hope it is not to late. You can believe what you want and do what you want but please think long and hard before you make statements about our Farther in Heaven. It is a real place and God is also real. Remember what it says in the Bible I am the truth the light and the way. Don't forget that.

Posted by etaylor (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 2:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm sure everyone can agree that things are changing - not just in the U.S. but everywhere. But of course, that gets us off the topic of forwarding emails, which seems to be what most of you have done.

If you don't know if it's true or something you should say to your co-workers or friends - you shouldn't send it. I think that's the biggest point here and everyone goes getting up in arms and badmouthing the writer of this letter because she chose to express her opinion.

Is that what we've come to? Badmouthing people for stating their opinions just because we might not agree? I know people sometimes write whatever comes to mind, hitting "send" or "post" before they give it full thought. I think if we were a little more mindful of others, we could understand that just because we don't share the same opinion, it doesn't mean we can't be open to hearing them.

Posted by ToldYouSo (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 3:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The only point which (Ms.) makes, with any validity, is about forwarding false emails.That should not be done but who is she to correct Alabama? Was she annointed or elected to some position...maybe (in abstentia) Commissor? Another thing; maybe she has an "inner circle" or liberal freinds in Salt Lake but if she'll just look around, she will find one of the most "conservative" and Christian cities in the world. Perhaps New York or San Francisco would fit her better.
In closing, I want to admit to all those other "predjudices" she hates (except forwarding FALSE emails) and make no apologies for them. If my Bible says it's wrong...then it's wrong.

Posted by mrgreenjeans (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 4:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well upon reading this, in between my spitting my snuff,you were born here.Thus you are a REDNECK,.After refreshing my snuff, one would think you are a atheist,or maybe a lesbian,or both.But if you do not want your Obama bail out box please send it back to Bamer.The box will contain 2 chickens,and a watermelon.And we all know that s the bread and butter of BAMA. The next time your down look me up,we will give you some chitterlings and moonshine too take back to you r great state.And look on the bright side your in UTAH so everyone knows in that state,you can have more than one husband.I know this is true, we seen it on HBO. (big love)

Posted by andy2utah (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 4:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ToldYouSo: Have you ever been to Salt Lake City? It may be what some consider "conservative," but it is a much different type of conservative that what you are probably used to. I have many LDS friends here, and we do lunches together and discuss issues and often find common ground. In addition, Salt Lake City itself is only about 50% LDS. We have one of the most progressive mayors in the country, and until Governer Huntsman was made ambassador to China, he was one of the most bipartisan Republican governors. I don't need a liberal enclave to feel like there are others here who share my beliefs - Christian or not.

Posted by louise63 (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 4:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

mrgreenjeans...don't think she is lesbian if she takes on husbands too..but this attitude is typical of what I have encountered living in the south. Glad to see you are smart enough to turn on a t.v. and tune into something other than Jerry Springer!

SERIOUSLY...people...the whole point of the e-mail is having different opinions and most of you have ripped this lady to shreads. Most of these posts seem to be coming from devout christian people but your sentiments seem very, very far removed from any christian teachings I ever heard. You are the very people that make it so hard to profess christian faith to people. I don't think any one of you could lead me to christ if this is the hate you have in your heart....

Posted by mrgreenjeans (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 4:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well louise63 ,finding religion, from most of the new age christians, of divorced deacons, will be hard too do.When church going people only care about what they wear,what they drive and how much their building cost.Who would shun and look over,a poor person, dressed in rags, who would not care if you had any food,or whatever.Its all about GREED, its fueling todays modern man

Posted by WAtidefan (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 4:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I get the point about not forwarding personal emails to the work place. Again, that could be addressed to individuals. Almost all emails have a subject. Upon reading the subject, it is usually easy to tell what the email is about. Delete without opening the email. Easy enough. At least, it works for me.
If the real intent of the letter was to address the issue of forwarding emails at work, that could have been accomplished without the sordid details of emails. It would not have been necessary to call the people from Alabama bigots, racists, and closed minded.
Having lived and worked in several states, it has been my experience that conservatives are usually the ones who are at risk of being ostracized, fired, having their property vandalized, etc. and not liberals. When one writes a letter to the editor that person must know that the letter maybe published for all to read. In doing so, the writer must also realize that persons with different opinions will respond. I am from the South, and do not like to be called any of the derogatory names used in the letter.

Posted by louise63 (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 4:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

mrgreenjeans...you are so very right. Its all about the greed.I agree with you totally on your last comment!!

Posted by louise63 (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 4:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

WAtidefan...she did not call anyone a derogatory name..I believe she stated the e-mails were derogatory..

Posted by andy2utah (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 5:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am not a lesbian, but my fiance does have a ponytail!

Posted by 188822 (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 5:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thank you Lauren!

Posted by WAtidefan (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 5:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I have not ripped anyone to shreds. I have not called Ms. Yant any names. I have not attacked her personally.
How is it non-Christian to take issue with name calling? There is nothing in any of my posts that is hate filled. I would most likely get along just fine with Ms. Yant, as I do with many liberal friends. Just so you know, one of my closest friends grew up in Mumbai, India. She is just as liberal as I am conservative. We, however, do agree on a number of things. Our greatest common ground is our absolute love of the novel To Kill A Mockingbird. Go figure. We both considered this novel to be our favorite.
I suppose my "Delta's flyin" comment could be taken as a little mean spirited. It wasn't intended to be. I just never have liked people moving in to the South (or out) and trashing it. Is it a perfect region, no and so far I haven't found a perfect place.

Posted by Jama (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 5:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree with Lauren wholeheartedly (being one of the people "back home" she communicates.) I get disturbing, racist, close minded chain letters and emails DAILY from relative, friends, etc.

Yes, I do let them know that I don't agree with their views and that they could express them more tastefully. Does it stop them from sending them? No. Does it change their hateful tones? No.

I get forwards daily about the horrors of those darn immigrants and foreigners with their scary customs and traditions. Most of the people who send these to me know that some of my very closest friends are immigrants. In fact, I replaced my "Something blue" with "something red" during my wedding in honor of my Chinese friend who had shared some of her traditions with us during the time we were preparing for the ceremony.

The hateful comments I see here break my heart, and make me truly disappointed with my neighbors here in Andalusia and it's surrounding areas. The hate and bigotry that remain just under the surface in this part of the country are one of the few drawbacks to being a resident here. Someone told me once, "If you dislike it so much, why not leave?" I thought about it for sometime and came to the conclusion that yes, I could move to another place where things are easier, where it's not so hard to stand up for what you believe in. I could move to a place where I'm a little more in the majority, but what would that change? Hate is an infectious disease. It is the product of fear and ignorance. Kindness, love and understanding are the cure. These are the things I hope to bring to this community, and I think that's what Lauren wants to.

Posted by Jama (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 5:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

And to alhm, you seem like the bitter one with a chip on the shoulder from what I'm reading.

Posted by purelogic (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 5:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

louise63: "whole point of the e-mail is having different opinions and most of you have ripped this lady to shreads."

I don't think I said anything personally against Lauren in my post. I did disagree with the way the problem was handled.

Lauren, if things are that bad for your friends at work, that they can't tell their own co-workers what kind of e-mails they like and do not like, then I definitely feel for them. If it was that bad were I worked, I doubt I'd be staying there for long. Just long enough to find something else to make my living doing.

I myself make it a point not to dwell into politics or religion too much in my place of work. I've found these are matters most folks take personally and will be fighting mad before it is over.

I get silly e-mails constantly, telling me to send this e-mail to at least 10 people and the phone will ring, something wonderful will happen, something bad will not happen, etc, etc, etc.. some crap that someone can come up with to verify e-mail addresses. It is so riduculously easy to hit this little button on my keyboard that says "Delete". As soon as they see it is junk mail, why not give that a try? It is not necessary to read through every junk mail that you receive, believe it or not.

I don't have a mailing list of 40 people on my e-mail that I forward every stupid thing that comes through my inbox. I send only what I deem profoundly funny, moving, etc, and only to those I know are truly going to appreciate it.

If I thought people were bad that were different than I, then I would think I was the only good sane person on this planet. Luckily I know better, but tolerance absolutely works both ways.

Posted by Jama (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 5:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

4uau, she is not stereotyping by stating the fact that many of her friends and family get those kinds of emails. She has never said that every single person is a bigoted backwoods redneck, so that argument isn't really valid.

Posted by WAtidefan (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 5:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

She said that by forwarding emails that are racist, bigoted and closed minded "you're not persuading anyone to take your beliefs". If such emails reflect a person's beliefs, ( which Ms. Yant said they do ) then it is reasonable to consider that person a racist, a bigot, and a closed minded individual. So, there was derogatory name calling.

Posted by lookeyhere (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 5:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes Jama I totally agree with you and some of the others.I am a white male and it is very hard for me nowdays.I am discriminated against daily.I wish people would not hate me because i'm white.

Posted by Estragon (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 5:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Jama, I'm glad you spoke up. It is time that intelligent, tolerant people were heard in south Alabama. Unfortunately, most of what people hear is the hateful, bigoted language of people who shout the loudest. Reasonable people by definition are restrained in their behavior and language, but something has to be done about this barrage of hatred and bigotry, and its unwanted intrusion into the lives of almost everyone in south Alabama. In some ways, passing on these hateful emails is a way for people to say "I belong. I'm one of you. I'm a part of the white, conservative, Christian culture of our community."

MrGreenJeans, your comment questioning Ms. Yant's sexual orientation was as disgusting as anything I have read on the blog, and that says a lot.

Tired and TD, no one is infringing your right to practice an obnoxious form of Christianity, far removed from the teachings of Christ. Just don't shove it down everyone's throat or throw it into everyone's face.

Posted by WAtidefan (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 5:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Estragon: In your most recent post you define reasonable people as those who are restrained in their behavior and language. In the previous sentence you categorize the language of some people as bigoted and hateful. How does that fit your definition of reasonable? Logically, that would mean that you are not reasonable.

Posted by WAtidefan (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 6:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Lauren, I really enjoyed the comment about your fiance. You have a great sense of humor. Thanks for the laugh.

Posted by andy2utah (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 6:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

WATideFan, you couldn't be more wrong when you said:

She said that by forwarding emails that are racist, bigoted and closed minded "you're not persuading anyone to take your beliefs". If such emails reflect a person's beliefs, ( which Ms. Yant said they do ) then it is reasonable to consider that person a racist, a bigot, and a closed minded individual. So, there was derogatory name calling.

On the contrary, I believe that the people who send these emails have far more to offer society than someone else's poor attempt at communication. That is why I am encouraging folks to do their own research and make their own opinions.

Posted by andy2utah (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 6:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

WATideFan: Thanks for the compliment. I am all about making people laugh and making people think. I would say those are probably my two goals in life, aside from hooking up with women. You know, since I'm a lesbian and all.

Posted by WAtidefan (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 6:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Lauren, thank you for your comment. Personally, I do not forward emails that I do not agree with. Perhaps some people do. Help me to understand, please. You believe that many of the forwards espouse opinions, beliefs, etc not held by those forwarding them? That really never occurred to me.

Posted by alhm (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 6:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Here is my bottom line on this. For Lauren, I am all for sticking up for your little sister. And I can understand that you feel bad for her becuase she is apparently being harassed at work but the thing to do would really have been for Jama to go and talk with her employer about it and not sent in a letter to the Andalusia Star News as if the entire town is sending her emails.

Posted by 4AU (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 6:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Jama--

She is most certainly making a very obvious stereotype to people in Alabama. I stand by what I said, there are racists and bigots and "backwoods" (your words) people in every part of the world. To make a general statement about people from a certain part of the country is pretty ignorant, among other things. I really don't understand why she felt compelled to write the editor of a town that she is so discontent with, why not write to someone in Salt Lake City?? Everyone there is obviously so open minded. I am sure they would appreciate it.

Posted by 4AU (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 6:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

And obviously Jama, from your first statement... It is the relatives and friends that you should have a problem with since they are sending you these hateful emails DAILY. I was not born in Alabama, I do not live in Andalusia. I can say that the hate is everywhere.

Posted by mrgreenjeans (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 6:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sounds too me Estragon, Louise63,and Lauren you drank Obamas Kool-aid,but have still yet too get your Obama box,see you all at KFC lol

Posted by andy2utah (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 7:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

alhm: My little sister is perfectly capable of taking care of herself at work, and she does. This letter was not actually talking about her, specifically. She is one of the few people I know who is able to walk the fine line between stating her beliefs and also respecting others'. In fact, I admire her and learn from her every day. She is a much stronger person than I am for staying there and putting up with some of the things she does, and if anything, she stands up for me.

Posted by mrgreenjeans (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 7:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well bless her pea pickin' little heart. Aint she sooooooooo special. Is she an Atheist also? She must attend one of the fine upstanding "churches" in this town that allows men to preach false doctrine.

Posted by tired (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 7:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I do not force my religion or beliefs on anyone. My problem is that certain people can voice their opinions about the conservative God fearing people because that is their right, but when these people stand up for their rights they are deemed hateful and obnoxious. That seems a little backwards to me. Are you saying that its okay for you to say what you want but yet we can't? Christians are not without fault and we have a right to practice our faith just as you have to not. If she doesn't like the emails and they won't quit sending them then she can block them. Why do we have to bow down for your rights but not openly speak up for ours?

Posted by opinions (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 7:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What a shame that such ignorance is still in covington county. People are not happy unless they try to put others down and make them selves look good. Obama jokes, KFC jokes..all ways to put someone down....and keep our society from getting alone. This is not the way a true Christian should talk. Ms. Yant you did a good thing by speaking out...but ignorance is deep bedded in these people, they don't care about anyone except what they want. Prayer changes things and this is all we can do for people like this. One things for sure....The Bible says love thy neighbor...and they have got to love everyone in order to make it to heaven. So it does not matter what they say or what they hide behind....God knows them and judgement will come.

Posted by lookeyhere (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 7:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

In some ways,passing on these hateful emails is a way for people to say "I belong.I'm a part of the black ,liberal,muslim culture of our community."

Posted by andy2utah (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 8:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You all are doing the work for me. I don't even have to argue my points, because you've done it here. Thank you! It's been fun.

Posted by purelogic (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 8:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

mrgreenjeans: I see Lauren isn't the only one with a chip on their shoulders. Why so negative?

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 8:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh please spare me........this entire subject has become totally convoluted. The initial writer set herself up by intertwining objectionable emails being sent to a workplace environment with quick jabs regarding religion, freedom, gays, south Alabama, you name it, the letter was all over the board. Touching on those subjects are sure to receive blog traffic! One point needs to be made crystal clear for a few responders to the original post. Case in point, one writer, the apparent misanthropic of the blogosphere suggested intelligence and tolerance in the second sentence of their post, then goes on to say, "but something has to be done about this barrage of hatred and bigotry, and its unwanted intrusion into the lives of almost everyone in south Alabama. In some ways, passing on these hateful emails is a way for people to say "I belong. I'm one of you. I'm a part of the white, conservative, Christian culture of our community." What part of double standard do you not get? As hard as you try, you are NOT going to have it both ways, at least not in this public forum! If you want to tout intelligence, be intelligent! If you want to promote tolerance, then be tolerant! Then, there are the slithering words "obnoxious form of Christianity". Is it acceptable for me to say, "obnoxious forms of atheism"? What is considered obnoxious to the sensibilities of one may not have the same effect on another. To the same writer whose comment was, "Just don't shove it down everyone's throat or throw it into everyone's face." I say ditto....practice your own advice! Hypocrites get my ire up to full throttle!
Back to the email issue. Do you truly believe these type of emails are only a southern Alabama phenomenon? I checked my email addresses to see exactly how many states are represented by my contacts. I receive almost daily or at least weekly emails from not only AL, but also OR, WA, CA, MN, TX,GA, LA, WY, VA, MD, FL,TN, NV, NY and HI! Need I point out that CA and HI are extremely liberal states, and those two states are the origination point for many of the emails that range from humorous to offensive! No one needs to degrade an entire culture simply because your family or friends send emails that do not set well with your liberal leaning. That is an issue that can be dealt with privately and efficiently. If your true agenda is to make disparaging remarks about any citizen in any part of the country, then bring it on with clarity. Do not mince your words and be straight up and willing to take the range of replies that are sure to follow!

Posted by 4AU (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 8:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thank you LoyalAmerican. I truly can say that yours is a very objective, sensible post. I have enjoyed reading your points as they are informative and intellectual.

Posted by WAtidefan (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 8:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Love thy neighbor does not mean having to agree with and support everything they say and do. And, would not this axiom also apply to everyone not just those who profess to be Christians?. After all, even if one does not believe in the Bible, loving thy neighbor would be a good thing. Some of the posts have not set well with me either. However, only God truly knows the heart. Yes, there will be a judgement day for all... believers in Christ and non believers. No one will stand on their own merit; no one. Only those redeemed by the sacrificial death of Christ will be deemed worthy of eternal life in the presence of God. All others will be cast into hell. Now, before someone posts how intolerant this is... you are right. God is intolerant of sin. God forgives sin through His Son Jesus Christ. Those not in Christ at the judgement will be judged by the perfectly righteous God and found lacking.
Opinions, you did not specify which posters were included in "these people" so perhaps you did not include me. If you were including me, may I suggest you (and I) heed the warning given in Matthew about judging others. Christians are not told they should not judge but rather that they must be very careful that they are not pointing out the speck in the eye of their brother while ignoring the plank in their own eye.

Posted by formerandygirl (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 8:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

First, for those of you who didn't figure out the connection between Lauren and Jama, they're siblings. And although we don't share the same beliefs about God, I know that I can't force the issue with someone until they are ready to hear.

To Festus: Although Catholics, indeed, are Christian, let me recount to you an Andalusia/Catholic story. Several years ago, I decided that I wanted to visit lots of denominations in order to find what I felt most comfortable during worship. I was raised Baptist because my parents were Baptist. They were raised Baptist for the same reason. So, with their blessing, I found I wanted to persue the road to Catholicism. One Christmas during the process, my mother went to the Christian Book Store there in Andalusia and when asked if she needed help, she responded, "Do you have any books about Catholicism or rosaries?" The woman responded, "Ma'am. THIS is a CHRISTIAN bookstore. You won't find that here."

Lauren: You have always been a free thinker and more progressive in your political views than most around you. I am an independent American and reserve the right to vote for the best person, not the party they represent. I think many folks our age are of the same mindset when it comes to that. Although I agree, the e-mails are annoying, the conversation is annoying when it bombards you with ideas you don't hold to be true. However, I think by leaving out the part of your letter generalizing Andalusia and Alabama residents, I think people would have had less to argue about. I know your experience personally relates to those places, but I think it is a universal problem that would have best been addressed generically speaking.

Posted by formerandygirl (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 8:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

(PART 2)

To some who attacked Lauren: I think some of you thought her letter was an attack on the city and God and Republicans. I believe, from having known her, she genuinely has a good heart and wants people to be open minded to the beliefs of others. You don't have to share the same opinions, however, to turn around and attack was a little childish and unnecessary. I realize I am Catholic and I am certain something will be said about me not agreeing with all of you because of that fact, however, Catholic/Baptist...I've always known the same God. In my heart, I know he wouldn't have wanted any religious attack back on Lauren or Jama. That's not how Christianity works, folks. Witness to the best of your ability, but to be harsh and to attack undermines the basic fundamentals of what should be your belief system. Love one another. Love like Jesus would. You read about it, you've studied it. Please practice it and live with the understanding that I feel Lauren was trying to express the need for. Even if she went about it in a way you felt was inappropriate, I'm sure the most reasonable of you can figure out, she wasn't trying to degrade or berate. I can certainly see how you might have felt that way. I feel that she only wanted the readers of that letter to open their eyes to more than just the immediate views they have.

Posted by mrgreenjeans (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 8:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

not negative just truthful

Posted by andy2utah (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 8:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thank you, formerandygirl. You got it right. And yes, full disclosure, Jama is my sister (by another mister). Sorry, I had to throw in a joke. This thread has gotten way too serious.

Posted by formerandygirl (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 9 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Serious, yes. Such seriousness is sure to cause premature wrinkles. We can't have that.

And I wasn't giving Jama up to the masses to be mean. I just didn't want her to be unduely misspoken to when all she was doing was sticking up for the big sister she loves.

Best of luck to you! Looks like you're doing well!

Posted by andy2utah (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 9:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

formerandygirl: No worries! Jama nor I are afraid to admit who we are or what we stand for. And, I don't feel attacked. I knew what I was getting myself into when I wrote this letter. In fact, I'm very happy that what I said has at least created a discussion. They say that "well-behaved women rarely make history," so I guess I subscribe to that philosophy. To state a strong opinion is always going to piss someone off. To keep it to yourself is to prevent progress.

Posted by purelogic (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 9:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

formerandygirl and LoyalAmerican: Thank you both for your responses.

Lauren and formerandygirl, in case you guys don't know it, LoyalAmerican and Estragon have a long history in these forums. I for one have enjoyed reading each side of their philisophical arguements. Yes as sharp as the contrast may be, I can say I've enjoyed both sides of the story. I can say that it is always interesting! :) Nothing like the thrill of a healthy debate.

Also, in case any of you guys haven't figured it out just as of yet, at any time when you say you need to "open you eyes/mind", "become enlightened". "get educated", whatever the case may be, this is immediately translated into, "If you weren't so stupid, I'm sure you'd see things exactly the way I see it!". I am a firm believer in not being able to "educate" yourself out of your core belief system. You either hold certain views or you do not. So if everyone in South Alabama, suddenly got their PhD's, I have no doubt whatsoever, the same spiritual philosophy would ring true. And that is exactly why I love it here.

Not perfect by no means, but it is home. :)

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 9:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Festus & LoyalAmericanand others: thank you so much for addressing this nut, who is now in Utah. She seems to have brought a few more nuts out of the woodwork. I know her family, and she wasn't raised to be a nut case, but sometimes people just destroy themselves. People like this, truly don't deserve, the time it takes to respond, so I'm going to give her what she deserves.

Posted by andy2utah (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 9:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks to several of you for putting words into my mouth...I was having a hard time finding my own!

Posted by febone (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 9:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thank God you left South Alabama!!!!

Posted by WAtidefan (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 9:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Once again, LoyalAmerican, great job.

Posted by 4AU (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 9:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I hope if nothing else comes out of this "debate", everyone realizes that Conservative, Christains have the same right as everyone else.

Posted by alhm (anonymous) on August 15, 2009 at 11:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Now we are attacking the Christian Bookstore. This is good. I still go back to my first post. Does no one else remember the letter Lauren wrote the first time to the paper?
And also to the comment " I think many folks our age are of the same mindset when it comes to that." Wrong. We're not. I have many friends and we're not. I just don't understand why if this girl (or girls or whoever) was getting all of these emails from her friends or her family memebers or her coworkers or Windows or whoever she was getting them from were bothering her so much why she didn't just block the emails. It's just that simple. Enough with this. Another paper will come out Tuesday and then we can move on to the next big thing.

Posted by andy2utah (anonymous) on August 16, 2009 at 12:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

alhm: I don't think anyone is attacking anyone here.

You have, however, missed the point that people should be able to go to work without having to block offensive emails, plain and simple. I am not just talking about emails that suggest one political candidate or ideology over another; rather, I am referring to blatantly offensive emails.

Posted by smalltowngirl (anonymous) on August 16, 2009 at 12:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I am sick and tired of all these liberal thinkers constantly complaining calling conserative christians, narrow mind and tellling us how we offend them and we infringe on their rights. WE have rights as well and the constitution of this great nation gives the right to voice our opinion, just like you can voice yours. If you don't suport the beliefs of those emails don't open you have that right as well. If the contents offfends you that bad you shouldn't even being associtaing with those people anyway, block thier eamil or just delete them. I am proud my state and country and of Andalusia, and If you, friends, and family don't like it here, move and stay gone no one is forcing you to stay here and the great state won't suffer with out you. God Bless this great nation and this state. May God help us cause we really need it

Posted by formerandygirl (anonymous) on August 16, 2009 at 1:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Lauren didn't say anything about the Christian Book Store. I relayed a story that happened to me personally and was simply in relationship to another commenter saying that Catholics were Christian. I didn't attack anyone. I said my mother was turned away from the store when she asked for Catholic materials. Sorry if you felt it was a slam and if you've never had a problem in the world when it comes to your religion, good for you. I am a Christian. It's hardly an attack on Christianity to say my mother was treated poorly at a business. If anyone should be hurt by the comment, it should be those who strive to represent Christianity at it's best. You obviously misread my comment, or you think that Catholics aren't Christan. In which case, I beg to differ.

Posted by formerandygirl (anonymous) on August 16, 2009 at 2:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

smalltowngirl: You wouldn't send an e-mail to a teacher saying education was worthless. You wouldn't send an inappropriate joke to your grandmother. I think that's the same with e-mails about politics. I think it's rude to send e-mails to people whom you know don't feel the same way. I simply delete them, yes, and have asked politely not to receive them anymore. If I have a staunch Republican friend, I don't forward political statements I think would offend her. If I have a Democratic friend, I wouldn't forward a nasty e-mail about Obama. It's about civility and respect. Whether or not I believe in something. I wouldn't forward a note to a gay friend stating gay marriage is wrong. Believe what you want. Respect others, on both sides of the fence. I dont think it's wrong at all to expect folks to practice a little discretion when hitting the forward button. I especially agree with that when it is perpetuating a myth, urban legend or downright untruth about any candidate, race, person or religion. I was raised in the South, right there in Andalusia. I thought teaching respect of others was a Southern tradition and you guys are acting like being nice, civil and using basic manors isn't a good thing. I was raised to respect the rights of others to believe what they want, even if I don't agree with it. That said, I don't appreciate it when I know someone knows how I feel about an issue and still includes me in a mass e-mail about Obama's birth certificate or how Pepsi and Starbucks are anti-American.

Posted by andy2utah (anonymous) on August 16, 2009 at 2:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

formerandygirl: Thank you very much for your last comment. Add to it that the emails I'm referring to were sent from coworkers to work email addresses, and it's even worse. It's unprofessional, and it's not even allowed by most employers. Several of you have said that the offended parties should block the senders of these emails, but how is one supposed to block emails from coworkers and even bosses? Furthermore, how is one supposed to ask those coworkers and bosses to stop sending the emails if the offended person fears losing his/her job over doing so? I do firmly believe in freedom of speech, and many of you have said that you should be free to share your beliefs. Yes, you should...but a work email is not the right place to send an email that is either just plain wrong or completely inappropriate.

Posted by WAtidefan (anonymous) on August 16, 2009 at 3:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Maybe I am the unusual case, but there is always something in the subject line. If not interested, I delete the email without reading it. Perhaps you should not have to do this, but we all have to deal with situations and issues all the time.
Obviously Lauren, you are not the one receiving such emails from co-workers or bosses since you live in the very progressive, enlightened city of Salt Lake. You have also stated that your sister Jama is capable of taking care of herself and even defends you if needed. So, if I may ask, who are the offending parties of which you speak? Do you really expect the co-workers and bosses to stop sending emails after reading your letter? Seriously? Again, I believe that if the intent of the letter was to chastise people who forward messages without thinking or without regard to the ideologies and beliefs of others, it was not necessary to go into such detail about the contents of the emails. Who cares about the content of the messages? In reality, any email message not specifically addressing work matters should not be sent to the workplace. Period. I really do not have a solution to the problem other than to click delete. If a message is opened and the contents are not work related, stop reading and hit delete. No, this won't stop the forwards, but you don't have to read all of it. Are those people respecting you? No. But guess what? Not everyone will be respectful of others. As I have written before, I live in very, very liberal part of the county. I chose when and where to associate with some colleagues. I choose when I want to discuss my opinions, beliefs, etc. and when I don't. I also choose to ignore some of the comments I hear in passing. Sometimes I choose to not cast pearls before swine.
BTW, I am a teacher and I do get emails (not at school) criticizing public schools. I agree with about 95% of the criticism.

Posted by WAtidefan (anonymous) on August 16, 2009 at 3:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Apologies for the typo. I choose when and where to associate.... not chose.

No, I don't teach English or spelling. For obvious reasons.

Posted by Estragon (anonymous) on August 16, 2009 at 9:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

LoyalAmerican is an expert at turning the inside out. I don't think that atheists, or even liberal, mainstream Protestants or Catholics, are sending out emails proselytizing their beliefs - it is you "fundies," people who believe the earth is flat, the Bible is literal, and that other races and ethnicity's are inferior to the white race. I've never received an email from Democrats or liberals that contain vicious ad hominem attacks on other people. Setting the record straight and correcting misinformation is not attacking other people.

By the way, LA, try reading, watching the movie, or attending the play, "Waiting for Godot" instead of reading the shallow review in Wikipedia that came up when you Goggled the word. One can even see in the Wikipedia article where you plagiarized the word "misanthropic." How lame is that.

WATideFan: why don't you have LoyalAmerican move out to Seattle with you and the 2 of you can stand on soap boxes in Pike's Place Market, converting the Godless heathens. That way, you won't be violating the no-offensive-emails-at-work rule.

Posted by ToldYouSo (anonymous) on August 16, 2009 at 10:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

andytoutah; Yes, I'm very familiar with Salt Lake City and find it ultra-conservative. But that matters not. What does matter is your condemning me for my "homophobic" belief of homosexuality and my right to speak out, or mock, using an email to MY friends and family. My belief has been ingrained in me for approximately 3000 years by the whole of my ancestors.
Question: Where did your "enlightened" opinion and defense of the subject come from?? Did your ancestors believe differently than mine?? If not, then where did you get your info from??? Mine is firmly based in the Bible.

Posted by billybob (anonymous) on August 16, 2009 at 11:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Glad to see everyone expressing their first amendment right. Not hard to see why a lot of people want to leave Covington County as soon as they are able. If you don't agree w/ the conservative majority then you must be a liberal or even a homosexual. The best and the brightest leave when they can and only return to visit family. Covington county has a smaller population now than in the 1950's. I grew up here but the people make it difficult to stay. No, I'm not the best or the brightest and I know it. Now let the hating begin.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 16, 2009 at 12:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

tired: you posting last night Aug. 15th at 7:45pm was, direct, correct and very well stated. Hope to hear more from you as time goes on. We can always use, more sensible heads, in this forum.

Posted by purelogic (anonymous) on August 16, 2009 at 12:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow, it seems this whole thing seems to be blown out of proportion!

It's true some of the best and brightest move out of town, but some of the world's best and brightest move into town as well.

I have the philosophy to live and let live. Most of the folks I know around here let me do the same. Then again, I'm not gay or an immigrant. I guess folks might look at me different if I was, but I would hope that they would not.

I don't think I have an ounce of hate in my heart for any fellow man or woman, as long as they live and let me and my family live. It's not my place to pass judgement. Judgement will come for us all one day.

I thought the story about the christian book store was quite funny. I thought the hydraulic shcoks on Obama's Limo was funny, as well as the 2 piece chicken and watermelon bail out box. Folks made fun of Bush quite frequently. Not too many folks got upset. Some of those were quite funny as well. We've got to learn to see the humor in these things, without feeling were being threaten to be run out of town or stoned to death.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 16, 2009 at 12:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ToldYouSo; Thank you for your post at 10:52am. My beliefs are rooted in biblical teachings a well, and that's something I will never apologize for, to anyone. Jesus said, homosexuality is an abomination to God, and If it's an abomination to God himself, I certainly don't have to be tolerant or acceptable, of something or someone, whose practices, God finds disgusting.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 16, 2009 at 12:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Estragon: I bet you are just as big an arrogant jerk in person, as you are in your postings, and have very few, true friends, if any. There will be a special place in hell, reserved for people like you. Part of your hell, as you're roasting in the fire, will to be able to see those in Abraham's bosom, that did believe, the bible was literal, and obeyed it's commandments. If you don't change, you will get your just reward, because, "God is so good".

Posted by lookeyhere (anonymous) on August 16, 2009 at 1:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

rgodwin....Come on now,do you honestly know there is a special place in hell for Estragon.

Posted by andy2utah (anonymous) on August 16, 2009 at 2:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The only person involved in this discussion who has a special place in hell is whoever was responsible for teaching the majority of you how to use commas. Seriously.

Posted by purelogic (anonymous) on August 16, 2009 at 3:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh goodness Lauren. That isn't part of the daily torture you are talking about is it? Receiving e-mails with improper punctuation? :)

Oh for the humanity of it. This has got to stop. There are software programs available for this monstrosity. Now, this, has, got, to, stop, once, and, for, all, please! lol

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 16, 2009 at 3:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

lookeyhere: Only if you believe the bible, which I do

Matthew 25:41 "Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 16, 2009 at 3:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

andy2utah: Your sarcasm, only magnifies your ignorance!

Posted by lookeyhere (anonymous) on August 16, 2009 at 4:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

andy,2,utah, Please I find it offensive,for u,to discriminate against,people,because com,m,a,s, r n the wrong place.Hey knot everybody can spail and use the korrect punchuation like me and u.

Posted by Reader (anonymous) on August 16, 2009 at 4:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I enjoy Estragon's posts! I find them informed, educated (what a rarity), and respectful.

Posted by louise63 (anonymous) on August 16, 2009 at 4:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

rgodwin, you are spreading enough ignorance for us all!!!

Posted by formerandygirl (anonymous) on August 16, 2009 at 4:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

There's a familiar saying that even the Devil can quote scripture when it suits his needs.

A few posts back someone said they didn't have to be tolerant of something God finds disgusting.

Seems that several have forgotten the bible also says, "Judge not lest you be judged," "Love thy neighbor," "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

Do I love God? ABSOLUTELY. However I know that hate and intolerance spread like a disease over your spirit and that of others. It is God's place to judge, not ours. My love and life is not perfect. It can't be. I am not God. However, I can strive for that. We can strive for that.

It's become evident by these posts that some feel use their politics to say someone is close-minded. Others use their religion to condemn other people. Condemnation is not for us to decide. That's for God. We aren't God.

And until the time I meet Him, I will continue to live my life not belittling others because they don't believe what I do. I will continue to let my light shine with His love so that others can see it and understand what miracles God can do. To condemn and speak illy of only forces peope away.

I honestly don't believe God would want any of his children to pick out a group of people to focus hate toward. Only God can love and hate perfectly and without sin. Let's leave that to Him.

Posted by formerandygirl (anonymous) on August 16, 2009 at 4:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

... I also love how someone posted something about "we could use more sensible heads." That means, more people who think just like you.

How boring the world would be if we were all the same and had the same ideas.

I think sensibility has gone awry here, and I'm not speaking of Lauren.

Posted by formerandygirl (anonymous) on August 16, 2009 at 4:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

*forces people away.

My thoughts were faster than my fingers, apparently. :)

Posted by louise63 (anonymous) on August 16, 2009 at 4:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

doesn't matter, they are excellent thoughts!

Posted by WAtidefan (anonymous) on August 16, 2009 at 5:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Interesting that someone would post about the Devil quoting scripture and then quote scripture. Just sayin'.
God hates sin. Therefore for anyone to profess to be a follower of Christ and not realize that they too must hate sin just makes no sense to me at all.
I have not attacked anyone personally. I do very strongly disagree with the posts of several people who have posted on this thread as well as on other threads. I also have not condemned anyone to hell. That is, in the words of Obama, above my pay grade.
Again, it amazes me that liberals can call conservatives all kinds of names and when conservatives reply, they are the ones in the wrong.
Now, I will wait to see how many angry messages formerandygirl gets after writing about her beliefs. Some do not hesitate to attack me and others when we write about our Christian beliefs. I have a sneaky feeling that I will have a long wait.

Posted by WAtidefan (anonymous) on August 16, 2009 at 5:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

After reading the last post from louise63, the wait may be even longer than I originally expected.

Posted by MoreCowBell (anonymous) on August 16, 2009 at 5:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

There is one thing that is certain, in a room of 100 people you generally will find 100 different opinions. That is true in Covington County and every other county or parish in these United States. Our small community is much the same as every small community. Our community is not perfect nor are any of the others. For those of you who didn't like our small community and decided to part company with us, that's cool. You are probably better served in doing that. For those of us who have remained and appreciate what our area has to offer are better served to have done so as well.

I said all of that to say this, regardless of how hard you try, most people have an opinion that isn't easily swayed. If you are a conservative or a liberal, you will probably remain that way. Personally, I am conservative and will probably will always be that way. There's not a whole lot of anything that anyone could post on here to change my ways nor do I think I can change a liberals mind by my comments. But, if you choose to live here, you will be in a majority of conservative thinking people. If for example, I choose to move to Oregon I can expect to be a minority amongst a multitude of liberals and I would just have to deal with it. That's just how it is. So to wrap this up, if you don't like our area, either deal with it or move. This is not meant as a smarting comment because it applies to me as well.

Posted by andy2utah (anonymous) on August 16, 2009 at 5:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

For the record: I never called anyone any names. I never said that one school of thought should take precedence over any other. I never said that people shouldn't have the freedom to share their beliefs or ideas. I am also not sure how this turned into a religious conversation, as I never condemned anyone for their beliefs OR even stated what my personal beliefs are. (Apparently though, since I am a lesbian atheist with multiple husbands, this part of the conversation was taken care of for me.)

The purpose of my letter was this--to encourage people to either a) stop sending hateful emails (especially at work) or to b) research issues, create their own messaging and share it with those who might potentially be receptive to it in the privacy of their homes or a personal email inbox. Of course--I have sent emails containing information that I hoped would persuade someone one way or the other...but that is not what this letter was about. This letter was about blatantly racist, bigoted, false and propagandist emails and communication. Yes, I have laughed at jokes about George Bush. And yes, I have laughed about jokes about Barack Obama (I especially liked the ones about his "mom jeans"). However, there is a difference in poking fun and inciting hate. Making fun of someone's big ears or fashion sense is one thing; calling the President of the United States "Obama Bin Laden" and likening him to a terrorist--someone who took the lives of thousands of Americans--is another.

Many of you have said that it is your command as a Christian to spread the good Word of Christ. As someone who is not a follower of Christ, and who doesn't believe what you believe, I will tell you that living a life by example is far more influential to me than telling me that I am going to burn in hell for my sins. It's also far more compelling than using "God Bless You, I will pray for you!" or endlessly quoted Bible verses as what, at times, seems like a rhetorical weapon.

Before quoting Bible verses or jumping to conclusions about who or what I'm attacking, please take a moment to re-read my original letter without any preconceptions. I don't think anyone can really argue, especially if following what many of you consider to be the Word of God, with what I've said.

Heck, even Glenn Beck said today on his radio show that he encouraged everyone to do their own research and STOP sending forwarded emails. When someone says something that's right, regardless of their religious/political beliefs, I'm on board with that.

So please, don't accuse me of stereotyping unless you're ready to demonstrate otherwise. And don't accuse me of calling names unless you have the evidence to back up your claim. And finally, understand that I do not discriminate against any one belief system; rather, I discriminate against unnecessary ignorance.

Posted by purelogic (anonymous) on August 16, 2009 at 6:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Lauren: You start your letter off by saying you like the sunsets. I do too. I just returned from traveling this week, and I sure did miss the beautiful landscape that is here in Alabama.

However, you then go on to say there are things you don't miss, and go on to explain these same things are torturing your friends daily. Continuing onward you say how folks here stereo-type every one into being a conservative republican trying to convert everyone into christianity.

I don't send e-mails to folks like that. I'm an independent political party, and I let people live and don't try to encourage them to do anything but leave me the heck alone. But I am from here and have lived here all my life, and I felt what you said in your letter slapped me in the face.

How did you think the folks here were going to react to your letter?

Posted by louise63 (anonymous) on August 16, 2009 at 6:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Some things will never change andy2utah, much like " beating a dead horse"

Sorry WAtidefan....I'm a little slow compared to the rest of you intellectuals but I fail to understand what you mean about my last post.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 16, 2009 at 6:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

formerandygirl: we will never know if the world would be a boring place with only conservative thinking or not. My guess is, that it would be a much better place to live. We have too many extreme left wingers and those who follow them out of sheer ignorance, which is probably the case with you.

Posted by iamabookworm (anonymous) on August 16, 2009 at 6:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

When I purchased a newspaper on my way out of town on Saturday morning and saw the article by Miss Yant, I knew that there was going to be a maelstrom of posts to read when I got home. Predictably the usual crowd was here attempting to distort her words. Kudos's to you Lauren for putting into words what so many of us here in Covington County feel. As long you are lock step in agreement with people here they are some of the nicest people you would ever want to meet. Have a descanting opinion on anything and the masks come off. Why anyone would say such hateful things for what was obviously a heartfelt letter I don't understand. Those of you who said those things, you simply have showed yourselves to be the very thing that you profess NOT to be.
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Posted by formerandygirl (anonymous) on August 16, 2009 at 7:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

rgodwin: Again, you're the only one who seems to be falsely assuming of others. If being an extreme left-wing ingnoramous means being a college educated person with a good job who volunteers in her church and community and tries to listen and treat everyone with respect and dignity, I am HAPPILY that. Thank you. Enjoy the Kool-Aide you're being served. Drink up.

to everyone else: We've addressed the topic at hand here. Both sides, for the most part, have presented fair arguments. Now it's turning into a situation where people are simply posting to hear themselves speak. It's an argument instead of a debate where name calling is involved. It serves no one, except those who feel a victory over having the last word. It isn't winning if everyone else moves on and you're still confined to one moment, right? Thanks for the debate. I wish you all well! Time to get back to real life, but I might see you around now that I've found you. Happy Sunday, all! I hope you are able to spend some quality time with those who matter this evening.

Posted by WAtidefan (anonymous) on August 16, 2009 at 8:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

purelogic: great post.
louise63: My point was that while formerandygirl very strongly professed a love of God (I have no reason to think she doesn't) and also strongly stated that she tries to live her life as Christ would have her live (again, I believe her) she takes no stand on anything. And really says that no one else should either. Apparently, it is fine to profess Christianity but sit on the fence about everything... you know... I'm okay, you're okay. I really hope that no one posts any mean things to her or anyone else. However, this thread is not my first experience with some people attacking me when I profess the very beliefs that formerandygirl did except I also believe that Christians are called to take a stand. When I take a stand, I brace myself for the posts about how I can't possibly be a Christian because I have hate in my heart, etc. It doesn't matter that I have never said I hated anyone and have never attacked a person. When I quote scripture, I am called a "fundie" who believes the earth is flat ( which I don't) and that I take the Bible literally (which I do). Yet, she quoted the Bible but used the interpretation of those verses to say that Christians shouldn't judge. My take on your compliment to her was that you agree with her. Maybe you don't... maybe you do. That was not the right thing for me to do. BTW, I don't consider myself to be an intellectual but your sarcasm was easily detected.

Posted by WAtidefan (anonymous) on August 16, 2009 at 8:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

fornerandygirl: you accuse rgodwin of making false assumptions then you go on to write that "people are just posting to hear themselves speak". Aren't you assuming, as well :-).

I have said what I need to say. Unless I have to, yet again, defend myself against personal attacks, I'm done with this.
Thanks, formerandygirl, for the well wishes. The same to you and to everyone.

Posted by Estragon (anonymous) on August 16, 2009 at 8:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

WATideFan,

If you take the Bible literally, you should believe the earth is flat. (Unless, of course, you only believe literally selective passages of the Bible, the ones that fit your preconceived notions of faith). The Catholic Church at one time persecuted and tortured people who didn't believe that the earth was flat or that the sun revolved around the earth. Just ask Galileo.

Posted by andy2utah (anonymous) on August 16, 2009 at 8:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Bored? Lonely? Need a good way to spend your weekend? Then write to the editor of the Andalusia Star News! Or better yet, field 106 comments. :D

It's been fun, y'all. Thanks for the lively debate.

Posted by MoreCowBell (anonymous) on August 16, 2009 at 8:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

My post at 5:36 pretty much sums it up. The horse is dead but is still being beaten. Also, I don't think the earth is flat.

Posted by admin23 (anonymous) on August 16, 2009 at 8:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

andy2utah...knowing you for a long time, as I have, I can say that you are not only just like you were in school but have never changed. Yes you were a bookworm, you grew up in a broken home, many times broken and that was your only source to keep your life somewhat the same, to keep your nose in a book instead of facing reality. Once you moved off you really were forgotten until you decided to send a letter to the Star News in which you "bashed" the people of Covington County. Once again, you've felt that was something you needed to do, but not only the people who send emails in Covington County but to the people in this great State as well and I personally as well as any other proud citizen in this state do take offense. I'm glad you're satisfied with your 106 comments, this one will make 108 and I'm proud to say 108 to get to tell you how sorry I am for you that your life has come to such a pathetic place you feel the need to say such about a wonderful place to live and a wonderful community of people.

Good luck in Salt Lake Lauren..you're going to need luck wherever you go with an attitude like yours.

Posted by TD (anonymous) on August 16, 2009 at 10:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Estrogen I do not know what is wrong with you. But I do feel sorry for you. You must have had something bad happen in your life for you to feel the way you do about things. But when it comes to the Bible if you do not believe fine, but I do believe that I would keep that to myself. And as for the way things are in Alabama and Covington County if you don't like it leave. No one is stopping you. Everyone has the right to feel about things the way they want. But do not preach to people that could care less. I do not care what you think. It doesn't matter, you are one of those people that doesn't have a sence of humor. Must be a sad life.

Posted by Oh_Really (anonymous) on August 17, 2009 at 3:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I too, grew up in South Alabama and moved away many years ago. A few times a week, I still like jump online and read the old Andy Star News when I’m bored. I’m not attracted by the hard-hitting news stories or the lively Lifestyle columns. Instead, I’m addicted to the “Comments Section.” It’s like a bad crash on the side of the road—you know you shouldn’t look, but you can’t turn away. Week after week, I find myself gasping in disbelief at some of the comments I read here, and other times, I laugh my head off. But no matter how exasperating I found some of the comments to be, I always refrained from throwing in my two cents. Until now.

Tonight has been truly entertaining.

I vaguely remember a clever quote regarding opinions and an unmentionable part of the body…I won’t go there. Everyone is entitled to HAVE an opinion. Thanks to the First Amendment, God bless it, everyone is entitled to SHARE their opinion. But that doesn’t mean that we should share, or that anyone should be interested in it. However, in this age of Bill O’Reillys, Rush Limbaughs, and Jon Stewarts, we’ve somehow come to believe that we should all stand on a mountaintop and scream out those opinions, however misinformed or misguided they may be. And it’s tearing us apart.

More to follow...

Posted by Oh_Really (anonymous) on August 17, 2009 at 3:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I’m a Democrat. I’ve learned over the years to keep my political beliefs to myself to avoid confrontations, which are almost inevitable in this part of the world. But since the most recent election, I’ve noticed that the comments on this site have become increasingly caustic and insulting towards others. If you’re a Conservative, sorry, your guy didn’t win this time. This is how the other side felt when they didn’t win. Spewing hateful language will only help you feel better for a moment, but it’s not a permanent solution. I’m also a Christian. During the 2004 election, I was told by a Baptist in Andalusia that I was going to Hell because I planned to vote for the Democratic ticket. This person went on to add that if I really loved Jesus, I would vote for a Christian-- not a Catholic. So, I definitely understand some of the frustrations on here. All I’m saying is--to all sides--if you’re dead set on sharing your opinion, make sure it’s an educated one. Do a little light reading and find out what others believe before you formulate your argument against them. Then people may even RESPECT your opinion, and forums like this will become more about discussions and less about name-calling.

I don’t hate Andalusia. I still have friends there and would like to see the area thrive, but I’m starting to agree with the one poster who said the town is well past its heyday. When I read the posts that often follow the articles, I can see how some might come to believe that people from Andalusia are closed-minded, intolerant, uninformed bigots. I know that’s far from the case; unfortunately, there are more than a few firecrackers on here who are ruining it for everyone else. Just consider this. Imagine a business owner or developer is searching for a town in which to build their next big venture. After they’ve done their homework on a town, they’re probably going to look at the local newspaper to see what folks are talking about. Is this what you want them to see? I hope Andalusia isn’t missing out on any opportunities, but you just never know who may be reading....

Posted by lookeyhere (anonymous) on August 17, 2009 at 6:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Its easy to see whats going on with this young person.She moves away and fell in with a group of people that influenced her.I think she is most likely a follower.In my opinion,her beliefs and how she views everything depends on who she is hanging out with.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 17, 2009 at 6:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh_Really : many of the people on here are not against Obama, strictly because he is a democrat. They're are such things as conservative democrats, he just doesn't even come close. I have friends who voted for Obama, but if he had been honest about who he was,who his friends were and his true intentions of governing, none of them would have. I don't look at just a persons religion when they are running for national office, because I don't believe most of them could find a church of any kind, other than during a campaign season. A person can't get this far in politics without leaving a trail of who they are. Obama left a very clear trail, but the main stream media, as well as voters, blindly overlooked his past and who he truly is. I've known moral people who were not Christians, but I don't even believe Obama is mora, a Christian or loves America. He proves every time he goes abroad that he does not love our country, by the way he is always apologizing for us. This should make me, you and every other American ashamed that he is President of our great nation. I do not want to live in a socialized country or have a President, that feels it's his duty to apologize for the greatest country on earth, to countries that owe their very existence to the United States Of America and I want every American to have the freedoms, that our constitution guarantees.

Posted by opinions (anonymous) on August 17, 2009 at 10:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

AGAIN! This forum has turned into an Obama bashing cartoon. This great nation was in trouble long before Obama came alone. People tend to think what ever they want to think about a person and most of you want to think Obama is not worthy enough to be President of The United States. Bush made many mistakes and put this country in the worse mess it has seen in years....and still Obama is expected to clean up behind him as well as get blamed for the mess he made. I may not agree with everything Obama does but he is our President and we should support his efforts and pray to God that he does the right thing in the eyes of God. Regardless of what anyone thinks...the american people picked him now let support him for Gods sake!

Posted by ToldYouSo (anonymous) on August 17, 2009 at 10:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

andytoutah; You failed to answer my question of where you got your "enlightened" beliefs from??? Maybe if you answered, then some might be interested in "following" you and your anti-Christ beliefs wherein you state that you lead by example. Begging another question which you won't answer; Just where will your "example" of, anything goes, socialism, feel good and anti-Christ expressions lead us?? If you can't answer these questions...maybe someone in Russia or Cuba can??

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 17, 2009 at 10:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

opinions:

My mother use to ask me, when I was about to do something stupid, "if your friend jumps off of a cliff, are you going to jump too?"
This is the same thing, that you are asking us to do, knowing that this man is hell bent on socializing our country. I will pray for him to change his American hating ways, but I will also pray that his existing policies fail.

Posted by Estragon (anonymous) on August 17, 2009 at 11:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh_Really, you are right about the comments section of the paper. In some ways, it is like a canary in the coal mine. The ignorance, hate, and rage bubbling up from below indicates to me that we may soon be in for a volcanic eruption. This happened during the 1990's when Bill Clinton was elected President. The Right Wing in this country wouldn't accept the fact that he won. They immediately began a campaign to undo the results of a democratic election, with fake "scandals," lawsuits, depositions, and finally impeachment. During the 1990's, tragedy erupted in Waco, Texas; Ruby Ridge, Idaho; and the Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, as white people, filled with religious fanaticism and paranoid political conspiracy theories, took one step too far. It is sad that the Republican Party doesn't have a leader today with enough credibility and courage to put an end to this madness. Sen. Everett Dirksen in the 1950's and 1960's was the kind of Republican leader who had the courage I am talking about, but now the leaders of the Republican Party are too busy pandering to the Birthers, the Deathers, and the idiots screaming "socialism" to act like statesmen and stop what may be a repeat of the 1990's tragedies.

On a different note, to those who think there is a "special place in hell" for me because I don't believe in a literal interpretation of the Bible and I believe in tolerance, please explain for me what the difference is between this "special place in hell" and just regular hell. Is there a room in hell where ownership of automatic weapons, or drinking Budweiser and watching NASCAR, is not allowed? Man, you make it sound scary.

Posted by louise63 (anonymous) on August 17, 2009 at 11:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

rgodwin,

depends on why he is jumping...

Posted by orearry (anonymous) on August 17, 2009 at 11:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The cast from Fox News would be proud to see these comments. We've had socialization issues since George W. was trying to push through the "Amero" and the Canada-US-Mexico merge to eradicate the U.S constitution. (seems the news dropped the ball on those).

but that's off of the topic at hand.

I enjoyed your letter to the editor lauren. Maybe my email wouldn't crap out on me every hour on the hour from the 12 meg forwards about another politician or fairytale deity if people thought about what and to who they were sending. I actually got some the other day about Native American's being lazy. (which they laughingly referred to as Indian's, like they were from India?). Me being Part Native American and a business owner I was kind of offended. From people I knew too! I am not that lazy.

Those Hawaiian Muslims are the real bad ones : P. Just wait. He will make us hula dance on fridays mandatory.

Posted by purelogic (anonymous) on August 17, 2009 at 11:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ok ok ok.

Catholics are christian.

No one knows who's going to hell and who is not.

Obama is not the devil.

The bible is subject to human interpretation, henceforth the 75,000 differnt denominations of Christianity.

Now, how many disagree with these statements? :)

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 17, 2009 at 11:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

louise63 : I think I said, when I was about to do something stupid my mother asked me that, so if my friends leap was stupid, it wouldn't really matter why he jumped, would it?

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on August 17, 2009 at 11:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Estragon: Plagiarize the word misanthropic? How can one plagiarize a word? You can plagiarize ideas or commit literary theft of another's works, but plagiarize a single word? If this is the case, where do you get the word
"fundies"? Did you coin and trademark that word? You used the word "liberal", again, did you coin, patent or trademark that word? You make no valid point and appear to grasp at straws for an argument! Apparently you overlooked a previous post, penned by yours truly, regarding the play "Waiting for Godot". Shallow wikipedia review you say? No, wrong again! I HAVE seen the play! YOU remind me of one of the character's in the play whose name is Estragon! That is why I mentioned the play! Do you get it now? I am sorry that you apparently have not been out and about and seen plays or theater outside the silver screen. Some people actually do get out and experience life in real time rather than finding out about life through Google and Wikipedia! Just to humor myself, I pulled out the old Merriam-Webster Collegiate dictionary, and lo and behold, the word misanthropic was right there between mire and misdoubt! How poetic that misanthropic is found between those two words! Check it out!! You wrote, and I quote, "I don't think that atheists, or even liberal, mainstream Protestants or Catholics, are sending out emails proselytizing their beliefs"; again you are wrong! Let's see...oh yes, what about Madalyn Murrary O'Hare? She encompasses two of the groups you listed, atheist and liberal. Did I say two groups? Silly me! The point is; she certainly proselytized HER cause all over America!! You wrote, " I've never received an email from Democrats or liberals that contain vicious ad hominem attacks on other people." Were you in a coma when the liberal media was ridiculing a 5 month old infant with Down Syndrome a year ago? Were you in a stupor when the children of a US VP candidate were maligned and treated with contempt through hate filled emails? That entire issue is totally indefensible!! Once again you discredit yourself with your words. You speak of setting the record straight, when will you begin?

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 17, 2009 at 12:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

purelogic,

If you believe the bible is God's inspired word, I believe he will disagree!

One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

One Lord. Ac 2:36 10:36 Ro 14:8,9 1Co 1:2,13 8:6 12:5 Php 2:11 3:8

one faith. 13 Ro 3:30 2Co 11:4 Ga 1:6,7 5:6 Tit 1:1,4 Heb 13:7 Jas 2:18 2Pe 1:1 Jude 1:3,20

one baptism. Mt 28:19 Ro 6:3,4 1Co 12:13 Ga 3:26-28 Heb 6:6 1Pe 3:21

I do not believe the meaning of the bible is subject to human interpretation as far as God is concerned, because it says that God is not the author of confusion: 1 Corinthians 14:33.
This doesn't mean anything to someone who doesn't take the bible as literal, but it is what the bible teaches. I'm not going to get into a bible discussion on here, but you asked who would disagree and according to the bible, God would.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 17, 2009 at 12:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LoyalAmerican, Wow, you nailed him again! I'm so glad I'm not a liberal.

Posted by andy2utah (anonymous) on August 17, 2009 at 1:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LoyalAmerican: So what if democrats/liberals/republicans/conservatives/libertarians/etc. send hateful emails. So what if the media made fun of Sarah Palin's baby. SO WHAT. Does that mean you have to do it to?

Just like rgodwin said (can't believe I'm agreeing with him on anything, but I am), you shouldn't justify your actions with something someone else did. It's accomplishing nothing to retaliate with the same behavior that you're arguing against, especially if you are arguing under the auspices of Christianity.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 17, 2009 at 1:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

andy2utah, You're in over your head. I don't think anything I've said contradicts her post.

Posted by lookeyhere (anonymous) on August 17, 2009 at 1:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

orearry wrote"Me being Part Native American and a buisness owner I was kind of offended."Well for you to feel offended,kind of makes me feel offended.Also for people to call themselves Native Americans,offends me.Why not just Americans? I am sure I will think of alot of other things that offend me.When will it ever end?

Posted by purelogic (anonymous) on August 17, 2009 at 1:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

rgodwin: God may not be the author of confusion, but all of us may be too dumb to understand the meaning.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 17, 2009 at 2:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

purelogic, if that was true, it would still make God the author of confusion. Anyone can take and twist the bible into meaning whatever they want, but if they are honestly looking for truth, they have to make it all fit together. There are no contradictions, like many people would like to believe. God doesn't make mistakes, men do!

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on August 17, 2009 at 2:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

andy2utah:Are you not the one who wrote the Letter to the Editor complaining of hateful emails; then YOU make the comment, "So what if democrats/liberals/republicans/conservatives/libertarians/etc. send hateful emails." Do you realize you undermined your own position? If it is a "so what" issue, why did you write the Star News? You expounded on your ineptness by saying, "So what if the media made fun of Sarah Palin's baby. SO WHAT." To me those are the words of a mouthy, immature little tart ,who does not deserve any of my time to counter your pathetic attempt at being a knowledgeable, well rounded, productive member of society. Anyone that says "SO WHAT" when a defenseless child is attacked, no matter who's child, is a disgrace! Actually my dear, you are sport for me! Don't bring your poisoned little darts to a nuclear discussion! You are totally out of your league.

Posted by purelogic (anonymous) on August 17, 2009 at 2:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Not necessarily contradictions. Some things are required to be complex, just because it is complex. We should make things as simple as possible, but there comes a point when it can get no simpler.

What is confusing to a 1st grader is perfectly clear to a 6th grader. What is confusing to a 6th grader, might be perfectly clear to a high school senior and so on and so forth. So it may be the material is not confusing, just complex. So we may not be at the same "level" of spiritual understanding that God is at.

Posted by opinions (anonymous) on August 17, 2009 at 2:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Jama, very nice respectful post. Thanks for sharing it with us. If people were more honest with themselves and others they will see just how hateful and hurtful words can be. Only God can change them but we have to continue to pray that them will one day see the true light of God.

Posted by opinions (anonymous) on August 17, 2009 at 2:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Purelogic

God is the same no matter what level you maybe on. He loves us all and wants us to love each other. We grow in Christ because we want a better understanding of his word. God does not do or say bad things about his people, so at any level in Christ there should be love. If someone does something mean or say something that degrades us..as human being we will get upset, so why would a Christian think its ok to say mean hurtful things about others. People need to stop trying to make it look like God agrees with their evil ways.

Posted by andy2utah (anonymous) on August 17, 2009 at 3:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LoyalAmerican - if you continued reading my post, you would see that I said "so what" to mean that there's no excuse for bad behavior. For example, "Johnny smoked pot, so I can to!" NO, Johnny smoked pot...SO WHAT. That doesn't mean you should, too. You completely missed the meaning of my post by jumping to conclusions and taking what I said out of context. I think that an email making fun of a disabled child is just as bad as an email making fun of Obama for being black...or whatever. My point was, SO WHAT, that doesn't give you an excuse to retaliate with an equally mean-spirited email.

Posted by andy2utah (anonymous) on August 17, 2009 at 3:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

rgodwin: Didn't you previously say that you "were going to give me what I deserve by not responding?"

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 17, 2009 at 3:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

purelogic, I understand your point, that's why Jesus said we have to become as little children. Children are innocent until the reach a certain maturity and I believe it can be a different age for different children. There comes a time though, when we are responsible for our own learning, unless you happen to be mentally impaired and those who do understand are responsible for sharing the truth. I have never and would never try to force my spiritual beliefs on anyone, but am more than glad to share them with anyone who ask. I do not use commentaries on the bible. I believe the best commentary on the bible, is the bible itself.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 17, 2009 at 3:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

andy2utah, Yes I did, you just make it so tempting and I had a moment of weakness.

Posted by Dogface (anonymous) on August 17, 2009 at 3:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

rgodwin,
I think I see purelogics point. For example, formerandygirl started to use scripture in her August 16, 4:20 post. She used the "Judge not lest you be judged" used by so many to excuse a great number of things.
This is one of the most misused, misquoted and simply misunderstood passages of scripture in the Bible. I think the problem is people have heard it said and never actually read the whole account.
Jesus was not talking about not judging ones actions. He was referring to judging ones heart. He even tells the lady to "go and sin no more" at the very end. Obviously, the woman had committed a sin.
The part of all this that bothers me is how todays society has used this misinterpretation to excuse everything. If this were so why would we have jails and put people in prison for the crimes they commit. They could simply argue "you can't judge me". Please dont tell let this get out to the folks behind bars. They will demand their freedom. Some of those folks have done some pretty horrible things like rape, murder, arson, drug dealing, stealing money form a dead man to the tune of about $1.8 to $3 million depending on who you believe and a whole bunch of other stuff unfit to print. It becomes quite clear that we must judge people based on their actions or our justice system would cease to exist. I do realize their is an argument with that already. That is another subject not for today.
There is however, a great deal of difference with judging someones actions and judging their heart. There is only one judge for that and He will do that in His time.
This is a very interesting topic and I could go on but I think I have made my point and done so as delicately as possible as not to offend any sinners like me. Simply put, it is not confusion but a lack of understanding.

Posted by purelogic (anonymous) on August 17, 2009 at 3:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hi Dogface,

Let's not forget there is also the difference in judging the law and judging a person's soul. Kind of the same thing, but BIG difference.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 17, 2009 at 3:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dogface, those are all good points. Another thing that people don't seem to take into account, is that Jesus lived under the Old Testament law. we live under the New Testament and we have his written word. There were very few copies of the old testament, but we have copies of both the old and the new in abundance today. There is no excuse for anyone not knowing what it says, if they have the desire to know. Jesus has already judged many if they are living the kind of life at death, that he says won't be permitted to enter heaven. No one is going to accidentally make it to heaven. That's why it says , "study to show thyself approved unto God".

Posted by myarmywifelife (anonymous) on August 17, 2009 at 3:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Reading all of this is simply amazing to me. AMAZING. Taking one simple point -- sending political and religious emails to work is totally inappropriate -- has somehow equated itself to oh my god, Lauren is a lesbian who hates Alabama!!!

What I find so humorous is that a vast majority of the responses on here are berating Lauren for her political and religious view points, yet in the same breath are asking not to be labled or berated themselves. How hypocritical! How dare she say anything that may go against what the majority of BAMA residents believe but hey, you know what? Let's give her hell for disagreeing with us.

The point of her letter was so simple: not everybody has the same viewpoints as you, whether that be to the left, or to the right, or anywhere in between, so stop forcing your view points on to somebody else when you don't know how they feel. Stop forcing a conversation (by sending emails, or however) that doesn't need to be forced. I've never understood this whole "my way is the right way, and everybody else is wrong" mentality that so many people have. HOW DO YOU KNOW your way is the right way?? Why is it so wrong to have a differing opinion?

But yet here most of you are, proving her point, and forcing your opinions and beliefs on to her. Telling her that she's wrong for believing what she believes. And for crying out loud -- if she hated Alabama so much, do you really think she would take the time to write to her hometown paper?? She obviously keeps in touch with quite a few people from her hometown. And reads the paper. And cares about Alabama enough to want to share her opinion.

Give me a break.

Estragon and Jama -- thanks for your comments. It's nice to see that it's not a totally one sided hate storm in the comment section.

Lauren -- keep doing what you are doing. Excellent letter and excellent points that a lot of people on this forum (or whatever) could learn from.

Posted by iamabookworm (anonymous) on August 17, 2009 at 3:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Andytutah-"You cannot reason people out of a position that they did not reason themselves into." Not sure who to attribute that quote to but it sure seemed appropriate for this comment thread. It is like a previous poster said, I'm drawn here like one of those people who gawks at something they know they shouldn't.

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on August 17, 2009 at 3:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

andy2utah: I did read your post completely. You wrote, SO WHAT with a period at the end. In order for everyone to understand what is being said, it is important to frame your comments in such a manner so there is less room for interpretation. Say what you mean and mean what you say. As an example, you wrote, "Johhny smoking pot, so what" does not compute with me. The way you phrased your comment does not allow me to interpret and conclude what you say you meant. I intrepret the aforementioned example of Johnny as: OK, he smokes pot, so what? No big deal. And no, making derogatory remarks about a special needs child is much worse than saying something about Obama. Whether it is Obama, you or me, we can speak up and defend ourselves. As adults we can have spirited conversations and should be able to shake hands at the end of the day. Attacking children is despicable, but attacking special needs children as did the liberal left bloggers/media, is heartless and the lowest of the lows!

Posted by andy2utah (anonymous) on August 17, 2009 at 3:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

iamabookworm: Yeah, it's hard not to look at this..It's like a multi-car accident on the side of the highway...or a junk show featuring some interesting Elvis-on-velvet artwork.

Posted by purelogic (anonymous) on August 17, 2009 at 4:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hello myarmywifelife,

Glad you could join us. If you found hate in any of my comments, you need to re-read them. My main point of disagreement was the ease of hitting the delete button, and going to the source of the e-mails. The rest has spun from the on-going blogs. No hate. I don't hate Lauren or you or any other of you guys on the thread.

Disagreement is another thing... :)

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on August 17, 2009 at 4:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

purelogic: I agree with your post; people do not agree on many things, therefore we have disagreements! I have disagreed with my parents (although I did NOT voice that differing opinion!!;), siblings, teachers, doctors, etc. but I certainly do not "hate" any one of them. I think the best approach for me is to "accept the things I can not change, courage to change the things I can.....and the wisdom to know the difference." Yes; acceptance, courage and wisdom... a winning combination!

Posted by cagriffinbdx (anonymous) on August 17, 2009 at 5:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well I think we need to go around and hang all of them gays....and burn some crosses....and chew some tobacco.....and hang some muslims on some crosses...and burn the crosses with muslims on them....and shoot some deer...and drink some beer....and close our minds some more....and try to find out what bigotry means....maybe we can find it on snopes.com....or maybe just google it.....and then we can figure out a way to keep them liberals from ruling the country....and taking away our guns.....or we won't be able to shoot some deer....or maybe not drink beer....or burn some crosses....with muslims on them....or some of them gays....

Give me a break.....this article appears to be written by a liberal in true liberal form. "There is no opinion more important than my own....or those that are inline with my own....and anyone who doesn't agree is simply stubborn and closed minded". I hope that one day I can achieve a social status that affords me the ability to sit atop the hill....and talk down to all the people below me....maybe the entire region in which I was raised.....box them all up in this stereotypical comment....and send it down the the local editor....and have him publish it to show the world that I am the all seeing-all dancing-all knowing master of the smart people.

Or maybe I'll just remember what I was taught as a child....that it's different strokes for different folks....and I'll just keep my radical opinions to myself....and only share them in certain forums that are more appropriate.

WAR EAGLE!!
Andy Griffin

Posted by StayInUtah (anonymous) on August 17, 2009 at 5:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Lauren, I am willing to change my conservative views just for you. If you are to get pregnant, please get an abortion! Nobody deserves to have to deal with your offspring!

Posted by meowsk (anonymous) on August 17, 2009 at 6:04 p.m.

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Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 17, 2009 at 6:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

meowsk, I'm feel very safe in saying, I'm glad for your sake that your identification is (anonymous), but it won't matter in the end.

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on August 17, 2009 at 6:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

To all reasonable bloggers: The 6:04 posted on this thread does not require a rebuttal. To do so, would somehow validate the creature that posted. The simplistic mind he or she (and I wager it is he)obviously possesses, coupled with obvious youthful ignorance is a sad combination. All the person wants is shock value! He needs to be dismissed....totally!

Posted by myarmywifelife (anonymous) on August 17, 2009 at 6:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

StayInUtah:

You are an idiot and everything wrong with people in this country.

What I find so ironic about all of you bible thumping morons is that you are all quick to judge others. Back when I did believe in God and thought that anything in the bible was worth taking literally, I distinctly remember reading something about NOT JUDGING OTHERS, that God is the only one that can judge any of us.

But here you are (and a good portion of the rest of you), JUDGING Lauren, and so many others on this planet for their opinions and way of life. How wonderfully ironic! What happened to hate the sin, not the sinner? See you in hell because people like you are sure to be there!

I'll be the one with the wine! Bring your own glass.

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on August 17, 2009 at 6:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

myarmywifelife: Another ironic point is you labeled another blogger an idiot. Does that not qualify as judging? And for the wine, may I suggest a 2001er Stockheimer Altenberg Trollinger mit Lemberger Halbtrocken. A splendid wine indeed!

Posted by myarmywifelife (anonymous) on August 17, 2009 at 6:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LoyalAmerican:

I think his comment is enough to warrant being called an idiot, because seriously, who would say something.

And I don't think I'm judging him, just calling it how I see it. Common sense and judgment are two separate issues. But like I said, I'm already going to hell anyways, so why stop now??!

And I will definitely take you up on your wine suggestion one of these days ;)

Posted by StayInUtah (anonymous) on August 17, 2009 at 6:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

http://twitter.com/lydahl What a tweeting little twat!

Posted by andy2utah (anonymous) on August 17, 2009 at 7:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

StayInUtah: Do you even know what a "twat" is? I prefer to be called "tweep." Thanks.

Posted by mudphud (anonymous) on August 17, 2009 at 7:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This has gotten truly pathetic. Myarmywifelife summed up my feelings about the orginal post, but I'd also like to voice my disgust with the majority of these posters. Someone writes a letter stating that people shouldn't be harassed at the workplace, and gets attacked because of that?

StayinUtah- I suggest therapy you seem like a miserable immature human being.

Lauren- Thank you for sending this letter. Hopefully some readers will take it to heart. If my child turns out to be as intelligent, and caring as you I'll be one proud mama. Bookworms FTW!

Posted by louise63 (anonymous) on August 17, 2009 at 7:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

now I know who sent the KKK in the ER e-mail this morning (to my work no less)...The subject was Emergency room so I had no clue it would be a picture of black people in the ER trying to care for man in a KKK suit...probably know how that one turned out!
Priceless!

Posted by StayInUtah (anonymous) on August 17, 2009 at 7:30 p.m.

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Posted by andy2utah (anonymous) on August 17, 2009 at 8:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

louise63: You and half the rest of Andalusia. My point exactly.

In summary:

I wrote a letter to the editor stating that SOME people sent bigoted, hateful, racist emails (emails, not people) to others at their work email addresses. I suggested this was inappropriate and asked for it to stop.

In return, you told me the following:

--I am probably a lesbian
--I probably have multiple husbands
--I should abort any pregnancies that I might incur
--I am a "twat"
--I am ignorant
--Estragon has a "special place in hell"
--My family "didn't raise me to be a nut case," but I have destroyed myself
--I still have a chip on my shoulder due to "bad high school experiences"
--I should go to KFC to get some chicken to go with my Kool-aid (how did I miss that memo?! I LOVE KFC!)
--I am a redneck
--Delta's flyin' (and thank goodness, since they are flyin' me to Thailand to marry yet another husband/wife? here in a few months)

Everyone wins!

Posted by StayInUtah (anonymous) on August 17, 2009 at 8:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

--And you are a cat person!

Things can't get any worse for ya. I can see you in 30 years living in the wilderness feeding your 37 cats reguritated Lauren food all for the sake of being "green."

Posted by StayInUtah (anonymous) on August 17, 2009 at 8:30 p.m.

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Posted by andy2utah (anonymous) on August 17, 2009 at 8:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LOL - that is a funny mental picture.

Posted by StayInUtah (anonymous) on August 17, 2009 at 8:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Glad I could make you smile. You've really put up with a lot from all of these backwoods, country ass rednecks! It seems like some of these people have never even ventured out of this little bubble they call home! Enough for now, I've gotta go unload the groceries and dispose of about 17 plastic Publix bags!

Posted by andalusiainquirer (anonymous) on August 17, 2009 at 11:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

StayInUtah is obviously one sexually repressed broad

Posted by febone (anonymous) on August 18, 2009 at 10:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

hey, all the fake charges against Clinton...did you forget the blue dress??????

Posted by andalusiainquirer (anonymous) on August 18, 2009 at 11:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I always figured the what they claimed to have found on the blue dress was nothing more than a gravy stain from a White House luncheon. The whole thing was bogus. The intern was senteto the WH to set Clinton up. The truth will come out some day that the truest thing he ever said qas " I did not have sexual relations with that woman.

There was no more truth in the blue drwes deal than in some of the thi9ings said above about Lauren.

Posted by biscuitsandhoovergravy (anonymous) on August 18, 2009 at 12:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am a little ashamed to admit I read all 148 of these comments. I also admit that I do not agree with all comments made by the liberals...at the same time I dont agree with all comments made by my conservative Christian brothers and sisters either.
I will say this tho. I am so very proud and blessed to live in a country where we can all make these comments openly and without fear of censorship or worse.
I would like to also remind all of you that there are men and women...alot of them just kids that risk and even give up their lives every day for us to enjoy this freedom. I would ask that you take a moment away from bashing one another and trying to flaunt your pseudo intellectualism to offer up a word of thanks and maybe even a prayer if that does'nt offend you for these wonderful people. I'll shut up now and allow the verbal asskicking to resume.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 18, 2009 at 3:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

biscuitsandhoovergravy, that was very well put. I'm also thankful for the freedoms we have and that why I want to keep them. I also respect and pray for our troops!

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 18, 2009 at 3:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I received an email today titled: And You Think George W. Bush Was A Dummy? I Googled it and it out of curiosity and it took me to the following link. These are all facts and common knowledge to everyone that hasn't been hiding under a rock. Everyone should read it and be honest with yourselves, when you answer to yourselves. There's nothing really to discuss, because there has always been a double standard where media coverage is concerned and that's not likely to change any time soon. I just wanted you to see what an embarrassment Obomer is to me and should be to every American, compared to George W. Bush.

http://kansascity.craigslist.org/pol/130...

Posted by cagriffinbdx (anonymous) on August 18, 2009 at 7:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Lauren,

I'm just wondering (hypothetically) since you were so disappointed in all of the "inappropriate" emails that bash Obama, liberals, non-white, non-conservative, homosexual, non-God fearing people....Would you have ever bothered to write this same letter if all of the emails had been bashing President Bush, Republicans, heterosexuals, Conservatives or Christians? I'm guessing probably not.

It's very ironic. Someone trying to be a defender of the people, but you don't defend all of the people. Just a chosen few. Everyone else is left to take the verbal beating from you for being on the "outside" of your political views.

Maybe the whole problem here is that your letter could have been worded a little less harshly and a little more constructively in your attempt to advise us how to live our lives. I'm not defending derogatory emails, however I am saying "Don't throw rocks when you live in a glass house."

1 Peter 4:8 "Above all, love one another. For love covers over a multitude of sins."

God bless you,
Charlene Griffin

Posted by TD (anonymous) on August 18, 2009 at 8:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It is a sad sad day when a grown person in this day and time will stand up and say that they do not believe in God. Look around you, life is an amazing thing and only the good Lord could or would have gave this to all of us. I can tell you one thing, when something ever bad happens to you the first place you will be is on your knees begging for the Lord to help you. Just wait and see. I feel very sorry for folks with that outlook. Oh, I do not dislike Obama because he is black, I dislike him because of the things he is doing to this country. I could care less where he was born or who his parents were. I am proud that we have moved forward and can have a BLACK PRESIDENT. But I do not think that he was the one that we needed. He is way to radical for this country and I am tired of him saying that he is sorry for the things that this country has done. He is a idiot, there it is I said it and I am glad that I did.

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on August 18, 2009 at 9:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

rgodwin: Thank you for sharing KC Craigslist website. Double standards are in vogue with the liberals!

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 18, 2009 at 9:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LoyalAmerican, Thanks, I thought it should be a real eye opener for those that have had blinders on, but are otherwise honest people, who have just been duped by the media, Obama and other left wing liberal extremest, plus I just wanted anyone else who may happen to read this blog, to have the opportunity to see the bias the media has toward Obama.

Posted by lo1an2go (anonymous) on August 19, 2009 at 8:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

When George Wallace was in office I lived in Boston, MA. They thought he was the best thing since sliced bread because he stood in the doorway to keep blacks out of school. I thought he was ridiculous for doing this. So racism is every where. I have lived and visited the U.S. over. The only reason we can state our comments and so many read them is the fact it is a small town. The last place I lived before coming back to Alabama was New Hampshire. I decided I perfer Alabama. Even if I don't agree with everything said and done, it is a great state and I am proud to live here.

Posted by justwingit (anonymous) on August 19, 2009 at 8:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

rgodwin: After reading that site (KC Craigslist), it brought me back to the utube video you referred us to in another article comment...the white Rodney King. "Pushing!"
Love your references.

Posted by Estragon (anonymous) on August 19, 2009 at 12:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm wondering what rgodwin was doing on Craigslist. Isn't that site for adult personal ads? Don't tell me, rgodwin, let me guess. You are one of those "wide stance" Republicans.

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on August 19, 2009 at 1:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Estragon: There you go "wondering" again! You must be referring to the psycho who placed ads on Craigslist then promptly murdered the women answering the ads. I realize you must foam at the mouth when you think you have that ever elusive "gotcha" moment. Facts are: Craigslist has several different catagories. Among those catagories are, Community, For Sale, Resumes, Personal Ads, Discussion Forums, Jobs, etc. Community has 14 sub-catagories, For Sale has 36 sub-catagories, Personal Ads has NINE (9) sub-catagories and Disscussion Forums has SEVENTY (70) sub-catagories! It amazes me how you can only come back with such a simple minded remark! Debate the truth or fiction as you interpret it with regards to what you read on the KC Craigslist! Reality eludes you doesn't it?

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 19, 2009 at 4:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LoyalAmerican: thanks, but I don't pay this loser any attention. There's no more than a handful of people in Covington County who would give him the time of day if they really knew him. He's just an egotistical, liberally educated jerk, who has most likely never had an original thought of his own.

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on August 19, 2009 at 5:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

rgodwin: You are totally correct, about not paying attention to Puddin', aka Estragon. But I must admit.......there is an element of sport involved! :)

Posted by auburn1 (anonymous) on August 19, 2009 at 5:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Lauren,
You did this to yourself. Great job.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 19, 2009 at 6:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LoyalAmerican: You're correct in saying, "there is an element of sport involved!"when it comes to Estragon, but what amazes me is, that he's lost every round and like a spoiled little child who has no friends, he just does thing for attention.

Posted by bama09 (anonymous) on August 20, 2009 at 8:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Lauren,

I remember when you wrote an article to the U of A school newspaper basically bragging about being an atheist. Your far left prejudiced comments do not suprise me.

Posted by andy2utah (anonymous) on August 20, 2009 at 11:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I wrote no such article. It was an article written about me, and I was actually misquoted several times. I still have a copy, in fact, and I was NOT happy with how some of my words, especially about my family, were incorrectly noted.

Posted by Bluebelle51 (anonymous) on August 20, 2009 at 11:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Lauren: Amen!!!

Posted by sweetnannie (anonymous) on August 26, 2009 at 10:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I am originally from South Florida, but lived in Andalusia a while. I do agree about forwarding emails at work. Friends should be "real friends" and state no forwards at work, only personal emails. Problem solved. I think Lauren had other issues with this letter to the editor. People who are liberals now think since the US voted for such a radical liberal as president, that it's time for their voices to be heard loud and clear. The media like to do the same thing. They with their political friends say, "Shut up conservatives it's our day to express our views, not yours." If you look at the popular vote, most did not vote this way. There is a reckoning coming... and it won't be long. Citizens are already tired of this administration. Sodom was destroyed for the sin there. Wake up folks,,,, it's not about conservatives or liberals.. it's about the Word of God coming to pass in downside of morality in America. Yes, look at Rome.... and wake up. Our country was founded under God and His principles... our country and people have lost the foundation. Without a solid foundation,,,,, things fall down.

Posted by southernboy (anonymous) on September 1, 2009 at 5:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hello and thank you for the letter

Good writing always brings emotional responses and I am encouraged by the amount of them.
Good piece, nicely stated and well worded.

To much protesting in some of the responses but par for the course.
As my andalusia born and bred elder says
We are waiting for the 60's to arrive.

Posted by hometown_girl (anonymous) on September 27, 2009 at 8:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Estragon, you need to broaden your horizons. I live in the Northeast and I have lived in the Northwest, people here and there are no different (maybe worse in some cases) than Alabamians when it comes to bigotry and racism. This is spread across the races and not limited to one race.

Lauren, Like many mentioned in their post to your letter, if you don't want to receive these emails and they offend you so badly, then tell the people who are sending them to you. I will agree that these emails should not be forwarded to work emails. It simply is not professional.

Please DON'T lump everyone in a state or even a race into the same category. I also find it strange you seem very set against religion yet you live in a predominately Mormon (strong religion) city. I will admit, I am not religious, but then neither do I close my mind to the possibilty. To each his own. I'm not the one who will judge individuals and their choices in the afterlife if there is one.