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Some issues are black and white

Published Tuesday, July 28, 2009

It’s easy to imagine the scene — a neighbor observes a man making a “forced entry” into a home. When the police arrive, they find the man inside the home. When asked to provide officers with proof of residency of said home, said man refuses — repeatedly.

We’ve all seen “COPS” on TV, so it’s easy to predict what happens next.

Said man goes to jail. It’s that simple.

However, the recent incident between Cambridge, Mass., police officers and a black Harvard professor has demonstrated that in this case, it was not so simple — especially when one interjects the issue of race into the equation.

When I was growing up, there were certain parameters that the LeMaire children lived by — you knew to choose right over wrong; you always brought home good grades and you had a healthy respect for authority. It didn’t matter if that authority figure was garnishing a ruler, wearing a badge or toting a fly swatter, which my granny was known to do sometimes. You said, “Yes, sir,” or, “Yes, ma’am,” and complied when an edict was issued.

And as for race … when I was growing up, race was never a factor in the equation.

In the Cambridge, Mass., situation, this is what we had: a man inside a home who allegedly refused to prove to police officers how he had a right to be inside that home.

Yes, the man was black. Yes, the police officer was white.

Now let’s look at the law — it too is in black and white. Refusal to cooperate or cooperate with law enforcement is a punishable offense for which a person can go to jail. It’s called disorderly conduct.

With that said, as an adult of reasonable intelligence, I find it absolutely flabbergasting that grown man — a Harvard professor, a.k.a. a really, really smart man — didn’t realize that the officers weren’t there to harass him, they were there to protect his property.

How much of a stink would it have raised had someone broken in and robbed Mr. Gates blind because the officers arrived on scene and took a criminal at his word when he said he was the owner of the home without making him give proof of his alleged homeownership?

I’ll tell you how much — those officers would have lived up to President Obama’s description of having “acted stupidly,” and it would have been splashed over mainstream media. I could have even written the lede — “The home of a Harvard scholar was burglarized (insert day) after police gave the burglar the ‘OK’ to be in the home,” or something like that.

And on a similar note, why is the president even commenting on something like this? Last time I checked, we’re got more pressing issues for him to worry about than what kind of beer to serve on the White House lawn.

In my opinion — and today is Wednesday, so I get paid to express it — the whole situation resembled a strange grey snowball that is taking too long to melt.

The incident should have never made the Cambridge, Mass., news — let alone national news and, by way of default, The Andalusia Star-News.

Now, I’m done with it.




Comments

Posted by Bluebelle51 (anonymous) on July 29, 2009 at 1:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Not only did Professor Gates show his ID, he also presented his Harvard ID that showed he was a Professor, he was in his own home when he showed the officer his various ID's. Under Mass. law he can't be arrested for disorderly conduct in his own home, he can only be arrested if he is in a public place, and inside his own kitchen isn't public, it should have ended there.
He had established that he lived there, he had established where he worked, and if he was irate, the police are supposed to be trained in handling it.
Whether or not the Professor was yelling, profane or not, the officer is the one who was supposed to be acting like a grown-up and clearly since the professor was arrested , he did not.
The arrest was a pointless act of foolish anger, and it was stupid.
Now can we get health care reform?

Posted by Festus (anonymous) on July 29, 2009 at 6:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

You know what bluebelle51, I typed two responses to you and deleted them both,you're a nut plain and simple and not worth the time it would take to respond to you.

Posted by justice (anonymous) on July 29, 2009 at 6:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

thanks festus, well you know who bluebell voted for,obama is in this to cause trouble from the start just look at it hispanic judge , black surgen general, but anyway im proud of jeff sessions and find out who voted for judge sotymayor or what ever her name is and do not elect them again , and as howell heflin would say"stand up for alabama".

Posted by cagriffinbdx (anonymous) on July 29, 2009 at 7:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

As long as there are white and blacks co-existing in this country...there will be racial issues. It's as imbedded into our culture as much as fireworks on the 4th, turkey on Thanksgiving Day, and flags on Memorial Day.

Most White Americans will always feel that Black Americans harbor an age old grudge for past issues they weren't even alive for.

Most Black Americans will always feel opressed by White Americans because of past issues they weren't even alive for.

I'm not a racist by any stretch of the imagination, but I do understand certain inalieable truths.

Posted by 188822 (anonymous) on July 29, 2009 at 7:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I have hope that there will be a world without racism.! I also believe that if a policeman came to your home and you showed TWO forms of identification with your address and they continued to interogate you as if you were a criminal that you would be MAD and ANGRY!

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Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on July 29, 2009 at 8:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Stephanie Nelson , I thought your post was just great. The only thing I have to add is that most blacks when questioned say that they are uneasy around law enforcement officers simply because they are black and say cops have a history of being abiusive to black people. Many times when blacks or anyone else are roughed up by policemen, it's because they let their mouths overload their behinds. I have never been in what I really call trouble with any law enforcer, but when they pull me over for something, they have never met a more courteous person. I'll be so polite that I probably seem suspicious, but they can check me from now to next year if they want, because I will have nothing to hide. I think anyone in his right mind feels some discomfort being confronted by law enforcement even if they are totally innocent, so I don't understand why it is usually just stereotyped to blacks or other minorities that feel uncomfortable around police.

Posted by alabamachris (anonymous) on July 29, 2009 at 9:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't know all the facts to this case but since the president can comment on it with righteous authority, as an American citizen, so can I. The Cambridge Police Chief and Police Union both said the police officer acted properly. That's all I have to say about it.

Posted by purelogic (anonymous) on July 29, 2009 at 10:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

As escalated as this was, at least no one was shot. Nothing but pride wounded here.

Even the brightest of us, at times do stupid things, and this was shown on all sides. At least it was no worse than it was is all I can say.

Everyone went home, and now we have a story to tell the grandkids about some day...

Posted by Estragon (anonymous) on July 29, 2009 at 10:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Bluebelle51, thanks for your excellent post, and for pointing out the serious factual error made in this article. Gates showed the officer his Harvard ID and another piece of identification that established the house in question was his personal address. Even Officer Crowley's report states that "While I was led to believe that Gates was lawfully in the residence, I was quite surprised and confused with the behavior he exhibited toward me." http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/yea.... That should have ended it, but it didn't.

As Stephanie's article states: "Let's look at the law."

Under the 4th Amendment's search and seizure clause, a policeman can enter a person's home or property only if 1 of the following conditions is present:
1. The policeman has the consent of the owner or person lawfully in possession of the property;
2. The policeman has a search warrant;
3. The policeman has personally observed the commission of a crime and is in pursuit.

Officer Crowley's entry into Gates' house, without invitation, without a search warrant, and without have personally witnessed the commission of a crime, thus violated the 4th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.

Mass. Law requires that police officers carry identification cards and present them upon request. Gates repeatedly requested Officer Crowley's name and identification, but was never given the information that he was entitled to have under Mass. Law.
(Post continued)

Posted by Estragon (anonymous) on July 29, 2009 at 10:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

(Continuation of post)

Gates was charged with a violation of Mass Law, Chapter 272, section 53 that reads:

"Section 53. Common night walkers, common street walkers, both male and female, common railers and brawlers, persons who with offensive and disorderly acts or language accost or annoy persons of the opposite sex, lewd, wanton and lascivious persons in speech or behavior, idle and disorderly persons, disturbers of the peace, keepers of noisy and disorderly houses, and persons guilty of indecent exposure may be punished by imprisonment in a jail or house of correction for not more than six months, or by a fine of not more than two hundred dollars, or by both such fine and imprisonment."

Court's have interpreted this language as follows:

"Arrest under Massachusetts "idle and disorderly person" statute was unlawful under Massachusetts law, where defendant was arrested for yelling, screaming, swearing and generally causing a disturbance but, though the yelling was undoubtedly loud enough to attract the attention of other guests in hotel, it did not rise to level of "riotous commotion" or "public nuisance." U.S. v. Pasqualino, D.Mass.1991, 768 F.Supp. 13.
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Defendant who did not physically resist his arrest arising out of a domestic violence incident could not be convicted of disorderly conduct based solely on his loud and angry tirade, which included profanities, directed at police officers as he was being escorted to police cruiser, even if spectators gathered to watch defendant; defendant did not make any threats or engage in violence, and his speech did not constitute fighting words. Com. v. Mallahan (2008) 72 Mass.App.Ct. 1103, 889 N.E.2d 77, 2008 WL 2404550.
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Defendant's conduct, namely, flailing his arms and shouting at police, victim of recent assault, or both, after being told to leave area by police, did not amount to "violent or tumultuous behavior" within scope of disorderly conduct statute, absent any claim that defendant's protestations constituted threat of violence, or any evidence that defendant's flailing arms were anything but physical manifestation of his agitation or that noise and commotion caused by defendant's behavior was extreme. Com. v. Lopiano (2004) 805 N.E.2d 522, 60 Mass.App.Ct. 723.

Professor Gates obviously could have handled himself in a more diplomatic manner in this situation. At the time, he was no doubt in an irritable mood having traveled all the way from China, something that a disabled person who walks with a cane must have found trying, only to find that his front door was jammed and he couldn't gain entry.

It will be interesting to read how the usual posters on this blog, who believe in every conspiracy theory about government and advocate positions that border on sedition, suddenly find a respect for public authority. Black and White? Yes, I think so.

Posted by Roscoe (anonymous) on July 29, 2009 at 12:14 p.m.

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Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on July 29, 2009 at 12:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Estragon, you may not even have a family, but if you do and someone had invaded your home, physically harmed you or a member of your family, I bet you would be whistling another tune altogether. You would want cops, sharp shooters or whatever it took in order to save your family. This isn't what happened at the Gates home, but according to your post it wouldn't matter. You had better hope that if you are ever in a dangerous situation where law enforcement is needed, that the responding authority hasn't read your liberal dribble that you spew. They just might honor your wishes not to enter until they have heard from you personally.

Posted by purelogic (anonymous) on July 29, 2009 at 1:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Estragon: Thanks for the link to the arrest report. It was informative, and really quite comical to read. I was under the impression that the ID was never shown at all, but I see eventually it was revealed to the officer.

The ruling made sense to me, as did the actions of the police officer. Given the same scenario, I think most professionals would have handled it the exact same way. The report could be biased as it was the words of the officer. Since there was witnesses, probably not too far from the officer's report.

I'd love to have a video tape of the whole thing to watch to make a real judgement and to see exactly who was more jumping to conclusions (racist). Was it too hard to believe the officer was just doing his job? Is this a stretch for some? I'd love to hear more comments from those that think otherwise.

I reissue my last comment. At least no one was injured, and it was no worse than it was.

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on July 29, 2009 at 3:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Folks: Everything has already been covered on this subject in Opinion WHO ARE THE REAL RACISTS -
Check it out. Excellent posts with great explanations.
There are 140 + postings. Find out who the real American patriots are, and who the real Racists are.

Posted by WAtidefan (anonymous) on July 29, 2009 at 3:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

1. I do not know what happened in Cambridge because I was not there. Unless you were there, you really don't know either. Even in court, accounts from multiple eye witnesses will vary.
2. You can't not believe everything you read on the internet.
3. You can't not believe everything someone tells you about what they said and/or did. If there are recordings then that is a different matter.
4. I have never posted nor read any postings by conservatives on this web page that are bordering on sedition. I have posted and read comments that question and challenge our government (to include President Obama) and the direction our nation is heading. Gee, I thought that is what Americans are supposed to do. Silly me! Guess not. Not only can liberals respectfully disagree and criticize, they can also scream, vandalize property, threaten and intimidate. Case in point, the Black Panthers who stood outside a polling place during the last presidential election. Oh yeah, our new Attorney General Eric Holder has decided to drop all charges against these night stick holding model citizens.
5. While I have not read viscous, nasty and profane remarks from liberals on this site, plenty has been said and written by those on the left about President Bush and his administration.
6. I do not dislike or distrust everything about our government. If the police or any other "public authorities" are in the wrong, then they are in the wrong. If they are in the right, then they are in the right.
8. President Obama was touted as our post racial president. Why, then, have I heard more about racism, racial profiling, bigotry, racial conflict in the past 7 months than I have heard in last 20+ years?
9. Again, IMHO, President Obama had no business speaking about this incident in the first place. When he said that the police acted "stupidly" he admitted that he did not have all the facts of the incident. So, why was he taking sides? He has had more to say about this than he said about the shooting of two military recruiters in AR by a Muslim convert. One of the two soldiers was killed. In all honesty, I don't expect much more from President Obama since he has traveled to several foreign countries apologizing for everything American.

Posted by lookeyhere (anonymous) on July 29, 2009 at 3:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well everyone should just do like me.If I am watching tv and Al Sharpton or some other idiot is on the news,I change channels.I refuse to watch these idiots like Sharpton and Jackson,hell CNN awhile back had a show called,Whats it like to be black in America,lol.The whole racism thing has gotten very old.

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on July 29, 2009 at 4:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Lookeyhere: check out Who Are the Read Racists? You won't find it boring. Just make sure you have plenty of time to digest it all.

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on July 29, 2009 at 4:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh horror of horrors, today my world has crumbled! All this time I have been under the erroneous belief that I have unquestionable police protection. Today I find out that if a neighbor hears my screams and calls the police, I MUST do the following if I want to be rescued/protected:
1. Break loose from the rapist and invite the officer into my home.
2. Hope the officer was able to obtain a search warrant before responding to my screams.
3. Allow the officer to view the rape in progress so he can justify hot pursuit.
Please spare me this nonsense! Common sense is key! I read the police report. Gates should have shown ID on first request. This pathetic attempt to rationalize Gates behavior proves one thing; there are a lot of enablers in this world! Gates remark "You don't know who I am" is laughable. Oooohhh, so you know Obama....and...? Obama should have kept his mouth out of the situation. But as we all know, he is one character who will not pass up a chance to have the cameras on him. So he has a photo-op beer date; How tawdry...yet so predictable! Lastly, if anyone is guilty of sedition, it would be Gates. He was resistent to lawful authority!
WAtidefan: Love your post!

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on July 29, 2009 at 5:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BEAUTIFULLY EXPLAINED! LoyalAmerican and WAtidefan.

My question if I may, Is Estragon, Bluebelle and Iamabookworm teachers in our school system?
Parents need to know.

Posted by WAtidefan (anonymous) on July 29, 2009 at 5:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Make that can not x 2

Posted by countyconscience (anonymous) on July 29, 2009 at 6:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

i. Obama was responding to a question during a news conference.As it turns out, his statement that the Cambridge police acted stupidly was correct.
2. Crowley apparently lied that the woman who called 911 said that there were two black men in the house. The tapes reveal that she didn't say that they were black. Once he knew that Gates was in his own home, the matter should have ended. What is obvious from his report is that he purposely lured Gates out onto the porch where he knew that he could arrest him for being disorderly in public. We all have a constitutional right to be secure in our own homes, something Crowley doesn't seem to understand, but which a rormer constitutional law professor like Obama does.
3 This kind of thing happens all the time in Andalusia. When policemen lose their cool when things do not go to their liking, they arrest the person closest to them for "interfering in a governmental operation", "harassment" or any of a number of other crimes that they know a person will not be able to defend in city court.
4. Cops in Cambridge are nor much different from Andalusia.

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on July 29, 2009 at 7:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

And the law enforcement bashing begins..................

Posted by Festus (anonymous) on July 29, 2009 at 8:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Lets face it Obama, Gates, And about 3 posters on this blog are all nuts. I could agrue with all of you from now on and it would be a complete waste of time. Shamrock,Loyal Americian you might as well quit wasting your time. You're dealing with idiots.

Posted by purelogic (anonymous) on July 29, 2009 at 8:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

cc: "We all have a constitutional right to be secure in our own homes"

Yes. That is very true. Yet I remind you, the officer was responding to a call that someone was breaking in the house. If it was an actual intruder, Gates would have been glad of the ID request by the officer for protecting his property. (Or at least a reasonable person would have been.)

"something Crowley doesn't seem to understand"

I can imagine it's much more difficult to understand these kind of things when someone is yelling at you and calling you racist, when you arrived on the scene only to assist.

What's the need for the name calling? He didn't know the officer. Because he was having a bad day? Was it because he was too good to show ID? "He don't know who he's messing with, I'm MR GATES!!" What's the point of that? I think it sounds as if Mr Gates needed a little humbling. You need to treat people NICELY. Not being ugly just because you can.

What is so hard about the following scenario?

"May I see your ID?"

"Why officer, has there been some sort of problem?"

"Yes we've had a call about an attempted break in."

"I understand. Here it is. My front door jammed, and I had to get in somehow."

"No problem Mr Gates. You have a nice day now."

"Thank you sir, and you do the same. Thank you for the quick response and looking out for my home."

"Yes sir, that's what we're here for."

Nicely done. Everybody's smiling and eating hamburgers and fries and stuff. What happened to just being polite to people? What's wrong with that? If you're nice to people, they'll be nice to you. It don't matter if you're freaking white, brown, yellow, green, whatever. Just a smile and politeness does wonders.

Why isn't that in our constitution? It should be.

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on July 29, 2009 at 9:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Festus: Glad you have joined. I know it seems futile to respond to some posts, but we have to give another view. Otherwise, some poor unsuspecting person may begin to believe "the lie".
purelogic: Ahhhhh......you have described Utopia. One can only wish people would try kindness and a smile! The harsh reality is that a racist and left winger have a hair trigger, and are just waiting to get a chance to sound off! Your script, as written, certainly would have been the best way for Gates to handle the situation.

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on July 29, 2009 at 10:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I have learned alot today. I give thanks to the wonderful people who make good sense and take time to post "another view". Let us thank the good God we still have the freedom to do that.
And don't forget to pray for our soldiers.
I bid you all good night.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on July 30, 2009 at 6:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Festus, your post hit the nail on the head. These few that you spoke of are the same kind of people who call conservatives closed minded. Hope that you hang around and write more. It's always nice to hear from freedom loving Americans.

Posted by Festus (anonymous) on July 30, 2009 at 4:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Just catching up on some news while its raining.All of you really need to check this out .http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,535608,00.html

Posted by Bluebelle51 (anonymous) on July 31, 2009 at 1:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

If the author had stuck to the facts I wouldn't have bothered to post a comment, however there were several factual errors that shouldn't be left hanging out there.
Not a single poster has a clue as to who I voted for, because I didn't say, you have no idea what I do for a living because I made no mention of it. I didn't mention politics or political leanings.
However I can endeavor to educate, as to the facts in the above article since I personally educated myself to the facts and the author apparently did not.
The policeman in question is supposed to be a trained professional and he behaved in an unprofessional manner.
The professor in question was in his home, and there is no prescribed manner in which you are supposed to behave beyond the point of producing evidence of residence, which the professor did.
I think the outcome was the result of two men, in a schoolyard peeing contest, behaving badly and it WAS stupid.
Now can we get health reform?

Posted by covingtoncountycitizen2008 (anonymous) on July 31, 2009 at 2:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I am by no means a racist but I hear it so much from black people that they were mistreated because they were black. I would get laughed out of the county if I said that I was mistreated because I was white. I get so tired tired of of hearing about this subject that it has gotten way out of control. If anything the whites are the ones that have to watch what they say and do so they don't offend anyone. It should be the same for both races. I don't see the whites having a White Entertainment Television (WET), or White History Month. That would be racist. How? Racism is a sore subject for me because it is in both, not just one race. Racism is wrong but it pisses me off to know that our country can't move forward instead of constantly moving backwards. Let's get real and grow up.

Posted by Festus (anonymous) on July 31, 2009 at 6:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm willing to bet Bluebelle51 is really our old friend bookworm. Changing your name dosen't change the person. Your president for example, Barry or Barack.
See,didn't matter still a nut who belives the rest of us were put here to serve him. I 'll pass.
Why ,Belle, don't you explain to us what health care reform is to you. How would you have working class America serve you.
I still cannot for the life of me understand how anyone can think that someone else owes them health care, house payments, car payments, everything else. Get off your lazy a** do for yourself. You migth even be surprised how good it would make you feel to do something for yourself.

Posted by 188822 (anonymous) on July 31, 2009 at 7:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I am saddened by the tone of these posts. I have always felt that this was a forum to voice opinions, not a forum for bigotry. I think the anger and venom spewed in some of these posts prove that this is an issue that NEEDS to be reported on.

Posted by purelogic (anonymous) on July 31, 2009 at 9:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"The policeman in question is supposed to be a trained professional and he behaved in an unprofessional manner."

How exactly was the behavior unprofessional? He never attempted to hit the man or rough him up. The officer that was with him has said that he acted appropriately. Which part of his actions were unprofessional?

"The professor in question was in his home, and there is no prescribed manner in which you are supposed to behave beyond the point of producing evidence of residence, which the professor did."

Yes this is true. If he had spit in his face would that have been Ok as well. There's nothing in the laws about spitting on someone in your own home or is there? While he was showing his ID, he could gagged up a wad of saliva and spit it at him. Would that be grounds for arrest? Or should he still be professional and tell him to have a nice day? How much training do you need for someone to spit on you, and you still uphold your side of being a human being? An officer? A professional? How much money do they need to pay you?

Well, I say they can't pay enough.

Professional? Indeed. For a Harvard professor, which one of these guys looks like the not so smart guy in this case. To me it's perfectly clear. At home or at work, keep your head about you, and don't act "stupidly" as our president has said.

I restate my last post. What happened to just being nice to people? Forget the law. Just be nice.

Posted by Estragon (anonymous) on July 31, 2009 at 9:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

There are 2 articles in the Chronicle of Higher Education that deal with the arrest of Prof. Henry Louis Gates. The first, "The Profiling of Sgt. Crowley," by David Wright discusses his own experience as a Black male of being profiled by the Cambridge, Mass. Police Department, but he concludes that Gates acted arrogantly and indignantly because Sgt. Crowley did not give deference to his status as a Harvard Brahmin. The article can be viewed online here: http://chronicle.com/article/The-Profili...

The second article by Prof. Lani Gauiner states that while it is time to move beyond the stock caricatures of race that are 40 years old - Sgt. Crowley is no Bull Connor and Prof. Gates is no James Meredith - history is still important. The huge disparity in wealth that exists today between white households and black households is a "direct result of having been property for some 240 years and having been denied, in so many cases, the opportunity to own property for close to 100 years thereafter." It is a cognitive association between this Black poverty and Black criminality that leads to police profiling of Black males and to our criminal justice system's use of criminalization to control the urban poor. Prof. Gauiner concludes that we as a society should not become post-racial, pretending that race doesn't matter, but race literate. Her article is here: http://chronicle.com/article/RaceReality....

While Prof. Wright's article concentrates more on the personal choice that was involved in the conduct in question, Prof. Gauiner's article deals with how history, economics, and societal influences affect personal conduct. I found both of these articles thought provoking and I recommend them to anyone interested in an intelligent discussion about race in America.

Posted by purelogic (anonymous) on July 31, 2009 at 11:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Estragon: Thanks once again for the informative articles.

In reading the first article, I recalled once in college being a white male being what I thought was a victim of racial profiling. See, I used to keep my hair long below my shoulder line. My friend I was with had hair halfway down his back. We were stopped late one night in our own parking lot outside our campus apartments around 2AM in the morning, and asked to show some ID. You see there had been recent break-in's in auotmobiles at the campus during a sports event. There must have been 3 campus police cars on us in less than minute.

We did not go to jail that night however. We did not shout out, "WHY CAUSE WE LOOK LIKE A COUPLE OF LONG HAIRED HIPPIES!" We did not shout anything of the sort, "I'LL SHOW YOU AN ID WITH YOUR MAMA!" If we did, I would have expected one or both us to get the cuffs put on. To me whether it's the parking lot or in the home is irrelevant. We were nice, as we would have been nice to any fellow man. They were nice and professional to us as well.

No national incident, no making the paper. Just the police doing their job, and 2 long haired college kids with a story to tell. See how easy things really can be?

Posted by realist (anonymous) on July 31, 2009 at 11:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Racism is a world wide problem and has been since before recorded history, and it's not just white and black. However, folks behaving like a lunatic and getting in trouble with local authority has been a problem just as long. Let's not confuse the two.

Posted by purelogic (anonymous) on July 31, 2009 at 1:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

realist: Is there really a difference between those 2 things in this particular case?

Posted by bubba (anonymous) on July 31, 2009 at 2:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If you people were to read the officer's reports, you would know the officer acted "stupidly".
As soon as Gates "told" Sgt. Crowley he was a Harvard Professor and the fact that Sgt. Crowley could obviously see that he was dealing with a black man, Crowley should have ascertained if Gates was a muslim and then he should have bent over backwards and kissed Gates' ass. Crowley then should have went outside and beat the neighbor down as SHE is the real "racist" here. Black men do not break into houses since Obama took the reins. These type crimes are only commited by white trash and racist white people and by beating this into the neighbor, neighbors everywhere will take notice and maybe these type of calls will cease.
Seriously, until you have been on the receiving end of one of those ridiculous "because you're racist" rants will you truly understand how Sgt. Crowley felt that night and how he probably feels today. The "officer should have acted professionally" comment goes to show that person obviously doesn't hold an educated black man to any higher degree than a "crack slinger" on the streets of Andalusia.
How is Obama going to squeeze in the time to go over these "racist police" accusations and follow through with his destiny of being the messiah? The whole meeting with the Officer and the Professor to have a beer is so utterly ridiculous. The President of the United States sitting down to smooth over this trash.

Posted by countyconscience (anonymous) on July 31, 2009 at 5:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Bubba has demonstrated for us the obvious fact that he is one ignorant racist guy.

Posted by lookeyhere (anonymous) on July 31, 2009 at 7:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ronald Reagan once said "We must reject the idea that every time a law's broken,society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker.It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions." I am willing to bet some of you don't agree with this.

Posted by bubba (anonymous) on August 9, 2009 at 2:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Where do you get the "ignorant racist" from? You have demonstrated for us the obvious fact that you are a dumbass. Dumbass.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on August 13, 2009 at 12:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

bubba ,

Don't let them get to you, but I would try to refrain, from calling some, what they may be. There was a lot of truth in your previous post, concerning Officer Crowley and the Racist Gates

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