Posted by Reader (anonymous) on October 14, 2009 at 5:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Here we go again. As for the issue of czars (which, by the way, is not an official term... just a media created term regarding various offices), many of Obama's "czars" have been confirmed by Senate (nine), several are not appointed by Obama but rather by the EPA or Homeland Security Office (eight), and many have been carried over from the Bush admin (fifteen, overlapping those counted above). Only eight of these positions have been created by Obama and are situation-specific ("auto recovery czar" "stimulus accountability czar"). Obama has LESS czars than Bush! The use of czars dates back many administrations but it seems many only have a problem when it comes to Obama. Typical.

Obama has not said he will not send additional troops to Afghanistan. In fact, he is spending today in a meeting discussing strategy. From his campaign, he recognized that additional troops may be needed. But what was also needed was a more comprehensive plan. Can you fault wanting a plan?

I do believe that if Obama was successful in ending both wars for little cost, recovered the economy to the point tax refunds were issued, and solved all environmental issues for centuries to come, there would still be people who would criticize him. I applaud him for all of his efforts and his ability to continue his progress despite those who are willing to ignore what he has accomplished.

Posted by billybob (anonymous) on October 14, 2009 at 6:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Duck! Incoming!

Posted by Patrick (anonymous) on October 14, 2009 at 9:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Czars! Administrators! Steve, used the term czar (currently cliché among right wingers) instead of administer in an effort to be derogator. You are entitled to his opinion, but should probably start watching a news channel instead of Fox commentators.

I fear a repeat of Vietnam. I also know that war intimately as a marine from 67 to 71. Popular support for the Afghanistan war has decreased because we wasted the available resources for 8 years with the Bush war. I also know we still don't seem to have a good strategy for fighting gorilla style wars.

I personally applaud the current president for taking time and trying to press the military for such a strategy before committing more troops. My first taught is to follow your military’s recommendation, but the military advice was certainly wrong many times in Vietnam.

Americans must recognize the culture in Afghanistan is different than the culture in America. If you were in Vietnam, you should realize some acts Americans dislike are normal in other cultures.

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on October 14, 2009 at 10:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

billybob: not unless we give them ammo. I'm not.

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on October 14, 2009 at 10:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The term czar, is not "right wing" phraseology. Obama used the term first. The first time I heard 'czar' in reference to his adminstration, was straight from Obama's mouth. I believe the word now used by the white house to describe these folks is 'advisor' not administrator. The word czar was dropped by the white house when so much to do was made over the word!

Posted by outlaw11 (anonymous) on October 14, 2009 at 1:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think what reader and patrick are missing is that Obama is not listening to his Generals who are or have been on the ground, instead he is listening to his "czars/advisors/administrators" to make decisions better made by these commanders. As far as VN goes, only LBJ and Westmoreland made the wrong calls, but, Abrams replaced Westmoreland, sized up the situation and called for 10s of thousands of troops to "walk across and drive the NVA and VC all the way to China". I know, I was there and served under both Generals. Now, Generals Patreaus and McChryals have both reported that the Taliban has taken over about 80% of the villages again and we must build up or pull out. The President and his idiots do not need to write a plan, McChrystal has one, just let him do it before this becomes another VN. I agree that Bush wasted 8 years, billions of dollars, and 1000s of lives when we should have stuck to the Afghan war, but it did not go like that and we can't go back to fix it. This one can be fixed.

Posted by ParleyP (anonymous) on October 14, 2009 at 9:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Don't tell people how to do things, tell them what to do and let them surprise you with their results.
A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. - George S. Patton

If we should have to fight, we should be prepared to so so from the neck up instead of from the neck down.
The first lesson is that you can't lose a war if you have command of the air, and you can't win a war if you haven't.
- Jimmy Doolittle
War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse.
- John Stuart Mill

Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.
If the freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter.
Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth.
It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible. Be courteous to all, but intimate with few, and let those few be well tried before you give them your confidence. It is better to be alone than in bad company.
Some day, following the example of the United States of America, there will be a United States of Europe.
- George Washington

Posted by supprtVets (anonymous) on October 14, 2009 at 11:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Afghanistan is roughly about the same size and population as the state of Texas. The Taliban has been labled as an alternative government since its rebound in about 2005 and has implemented the strictest law ever known in the Muslim world to date and has been reported as having a Taliban 'religious police' that beats women that do not adhere to the strict rules imposed by the religion. It has also been reported that the Taliban will 'step down' once a good, strict, Muslim rule is in place in Afghanistan and religious order is restored.
Steve, what would be one of your suggestions, as a former US soldier having seen action and lived through the Viet Nam era, with our American political system's movement in the current situation as you understand it? It is a religious movement on the Taliban's part, and compare it to our governments current ruling's and movements on 'religion' in our own country at the current time on a national and Federal level.

Posted by Reader (anonymous) on October 15, 2009 at 5:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I did not say "czar" was a right-wing phrase. And no, Obama and his staff were not the first to use this term. This term has been around for many administrations. According to several resources (google it), this designation came from the media.

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on October 15, 2009 at 6:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Reader: My comments about czars and Obama was in response to Patrick's post. Also, to clarify my previous statement when I wrote, "Obama used the term first. The first time I heard 'czar' in reference to his adminstration, was straight from Obama's mouth". Obama DID use the term first when he was naming one of the first appointments to his "advisor/czar" positions. The appointee name I do not recall, but Obama gave the guy accolades then said he would "oversee, be the czar, if you will, and report directly to me". Obama's words, directly from his mouth. Yes, I am aware the term 'czar' has been around for centuries, ask a Russian. My statement stands that Obama was the first to use the word czar in HIS administration. Yes, every administration has advisors! What I heard from Obama's mouth is good enough for me, I have no reason to 'google'. We can go back and forth on this just like the chicken or egg. I stand firm on what I heard and when I heard it. Personally I could not care less what Obama or any other president calls his advsors. I DO think the word 'czar' is a bit lofty though. When I hear czar, I think ruler or king.

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on October 15, 2009 at 6:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

ParleyP: Thank you for sharing those quotes!

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on October 15, 2009 at 8:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Loyal and ParleyP: I agree with you concerning the word CZAR. It's Russian word is Tsar, the German word is Kaisar, and the Latin is Caesar. In my dictionary the word czar means 1. Emperor, specifically the ruler of Russia until the 1917 communist revolution. 2. one having GREAT POWER OR AUTHORITY (a banking czar).
Czarism: 1. the government of Russia under the czars. 2. AUTOCRATIC RULE.

Autocrat: 1. a person (as a monarch) ruling with unlimited authority. 2. one who has undisputed INFLUENCE OR POWER.
Autocratic: ABSOLUTE (as in government). 2. DESPOT.

Thanks to ParleyP, we have Washington's statements on government as a 'force, a fire, dangerous and a fearful master'. Wasn't Washington using that definition to describe England or any other despot attempting to reign as an Emperor or Czar in the land of the free and home of the brave?

And lastly, why did Obama choose the word CZAR out of all the other titles available? May it be a code word for the Progressives?.. but it's a RED FLAG for Americans. I believe, Progressive Marxists do not consider themselves Americans and detest our Rule of Law under God.

Posted by Patrick (anonymous) on October 15, 2009 at 11:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Now that we all know what Czar means, the question is should the president seek advice from multiple advisors or just his military advisors? Outlaw11 said McChrystal has a plan. Yes he does have a plan, and so does Secretary Gates, and so does Vice President Biden and so does Secretary Clinton. Obama has the responsibility to decide which plan is the best alternative, even if it isn't politically correct.

Posted by outlaw11 (anonymous) on October 15, 2009 at 12:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The two Generals and Gates are on the same page, no one else should matter. Obama needs to get this one right to regain some of the ground he has lost with the public, since most Americans agree with the Afghan war. There is no need for a politically correct decision here, only a strategic military counter-attack on the Taliban, which calls for a massive troop build-up. Biden nor Clinton has no place in this. I hope our President makes a quick decision since it will take at least two weeks for the prep to deploy. Patrick, having been a Marine, do you agree?

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on October 15, 2009 at 2:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Partick: Hillary Clinton has a plan? Biden has a plan? Surely you jest! How much military experience does Obama have? Clinton? Biden? That's right, null, zilch, zero, ole, dim, noll, nada!! The only thing they would know about a flank has to do with beef! What sort of military strategy can they offer other than waving a white flag? So to answer your question, NO, Obama does not need to consult "advisors"! Not one but TWO, boots on the ground, career military Generals, have a plan and it needs to be executed ASAP!! Our military deserve whatever is asked for....and it should have been there yesterday! "Politically correct" you say? That is what happened in Viet Nam, and you know first hand how THAT turned out! Obama needs to get in this war to win it and stop politicizing the process! I don't give two hoots about irritating the doves. It takes time to get logistics in place for massive troop movement. Winter is setting in and precious time is wasting! Obama hired McChrystal to do the job and now is NOT the time to shake and quake. They need to go in with everything in the US Military arsenal and get the job done! The Taliban should be so battered and confused they won't know whether to scratch their watch or wind their rear.

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on October 15, 2009 at 2:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

outlaw11: I agree with you 100%. Thank you for your insight!

Posted by Patrick (anonymous) on October 15, 2009 at 5:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey guys the military advise isn’t always the best. Westmoreland and the joint chiefs placed 10,000 Marines at Khe Sanh against the will of Marine generals because he wanted to draw Giap into a large conventional battle and crush him. They were convinced Giap was committing everything he had to the battle at Khe Sanh. The military brass was wrong. Giap was planning and organizing the 1968 Tet offensive. The concentration of Marines at Khe Sanh meant we were spread so thin we couldn’t respond effectively to the offensive and the public opinion turned against the war.

The solution in Afghanistan will not be only a military solution. The operation is a NATO operation. What about more troops from other countries? That is a possibility, given the improved relations with the other NATO countries. If you have seen a war first hand you won’t be as quick to rely on only the military solution to conflicts.

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on October 15, 2009 at 6:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Patrick: so you think Biden and Hilary have more expertise? Paleese. Patrick, give it up! You're again on the wrong side of the block. Come on over and join us. If you think Progressives are going to pat you on the back when the ride gets really rough - you're woefully mistaken. They'll chew you up and spit you out. Come on, Pat. Give us a try. At least, we make sense.

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on October 15, 2009 at 6:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Loyal: I admire your post of 2:28!
Rgodwin: come and say hi to us. We miss your superior posts.

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on October 15, 2009 at 6:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Outlaw: "you've come a long way, baby." Now you're in your element. Thanks for posting 1:44 and 12:50!

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on October 15, 2009 at 8:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Patrick: You made a perfect example for why Obama needs to stop dragging his feet, when you wrote "The concentration of Marines at Khe Sanh meant we were spread so thin we couldn’t respond effectively to the offensive and the public opinion turned against the war." Ditto for Afghanistan! No one wants war. I have chronicled my husbands time in Viet Nam. Many hours have been spent, sitting at the keyboard, typing as he spoke. It was profoundly painful for me to hear what I did, but even more so for him to revisit that time and place in his life. It took him 35 years before he could speak of his experiences. There were things he spoke of that are truly unspeakable. The horrors that you all saw, I can't grasp, I simply can not go there. No one in their right mind would ever want any part of war. But when you are in a situation of kill or be killed, the dynamics change dramatically. Force is all that AL Qaeda will respond to. America needs to show the level of force that leaves no doubt in their minds, we are in it to win it! Anything less will bring them back to our turf. Then we will suffer the unspeakable atrocities.

Posted by outlaw11 (anonymous) on October 15, 2009 at 8:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Patrick, once again you missed the point...the reason Westmoreland was pulled and replaced by Abrams was because of his screw-ups, which I stated earlier...Abrams made no mistakes, my A-Team escorted him on several occassions from MACSOG Hqs to out-lying posts and he carried an M16, 2 45s, grenades, wore a steel pot, and rode in 21/2 T truck, just like everyone else...Westmoreland never left Hqs...every soldier and Marine I ever met in the 'Nam held Abrams in high esteem...the same can be said today of McCrystal, former Ranger, Green Beret, and Delta commander with an extreme background in "unconvential war-fare and guerilla tactics" which is why Patreaus chose him w/Obama's approval...now, Obama just needs to say "go ahead' and as far as NATO, we are never going to get enough help from them as all except a few countries are cowards and affraid that the Muslim world will attack them next. By the way, Patrick, where did you serve in the 'Nam? When I was a LRRP with 173rd, Marines always met me after about 3 weeks in the bush and escorted me back to an LZ...I always thanked them.

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on October 15, 2009 at 8:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

outlaw11: Once again you nailed it!

Posted by outlaw11 (anonymous) on October 15, 2009 at 9:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

And, hello Shamrock...welcome back

Posted by outlaw11 (anonymous) on October 15, 2009 at 9:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Loyal: was your husband Army, Marine, Navy, AF? And what outfit was he with? Not trying to get personal, just asking.
I have a nephew on the ground in Afghan with the Marines, he is ForceRecon on his 2nd tour there, after 2 tours in Iraq. Maybe all this can be settled before many more lives are lost.

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on October 16, 2009 at 5:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

outlaw11: I am glad to share my husbands info. His branch was Army and was with 11th Cav in Viet Nam. We have a son in Iraq and it looks as though he will be going back to Afghanistan. I don't sleep well at night, but I do have comfort knowing he is doing what he believes in. For this I am proud and grateful!

By the way, my husband has huge respect for Gen. Creighton Abrams. He says Westmoreland was an office pansy, never getting out among the troops.
But Gen. Abrams was another story; he was out in the middle of it with two .45's strapped on, grenades...the works. A real man's man! Had he been the CG in Viet Nam from the beginning, we believe the outcome would have been totally different!

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on October 16, 2009 at 8:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Patrick: it's your turn. Aren't you going to answer Outlaw's question and comment on General Abrams or something?

Posted by outlaw11 (anonymous) on October 16, 2009 at 9:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Good morning LA & Shamrock: I'm up and running, ready to rock'n'roll...LA, thanks for the info and best of luck to your son...Shamrock, thanks for having my back, Patrick's out on a limb here. But according to this AM's news, Obama is holding off making a decision until the Afghans straighten out the problem with the election...possible fraud? I will be in and out today, but will reply to comments when I can.

Posted by Patrick (anonymous) on October 16, 2009 at 9:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Another day, another dollar! I shouldn't need to remind you, the solution to all international problems isn't on the battlefield. Remember, it is a mathematical certainty that less than 50% of all battlefield commander decisions produce the result they intended.

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on October 16, 2009 at 11:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Patrick: Well said! General Petreaus must have been in that percentile that DID get the results he intended with the surge in Iraq, mathematically speaking of course! His strategy was correct then and my money is on him NOW!

Posted by outlaw11 (anonymous) on October 16, 2009 at 12:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

According to history, that figure is correct, but, as a soldier, I had rather have a 50/50 chance based on my field commander than on anyone in Washington,DC, especially in this administration...I still have little to no faith in Obama's group of non-veteran advisors. One of them even suggested sending 20 Special Forces A-Teams to work with troops on the ground...not the job of A-Teams...they work alone and if embedded with any others, it is the 173rd Airborne...just bull-crap ideas such as this are the reason we can't count on the advisors...still, I don't command anything except my mouth and thoughts, so I can't say who is right or wrong, only time will tell...but we lost 4 soldiers yesterday, so some families are crying today.

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on October 16, 2009 at 2:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

outlaw11: You are so correct about the know nothing non veterans or non military in general! Ms Pelosi, while referencing Gen. McChrystal's recent TV interview, once again showcased her ignorance by stating Gen. McChrystal "should have followed his chain of command". Little did she know.....he did!

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on October 16, 2009 at 2:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yesterday, Beck had the clips of Dunn and Mahlor(?) where we hear them idolizing Mao Tse Tung the Grand Mass Murderer.
Mahlor said he was jealous of China because they had a Dictator. What a dumb ars.
And Dunn putting Mother Theresa and Mao together as revolutionaries that she adores!!!
I cried.
He also named all the commies in the White House that he has so far investigated. No wonder they are after Fox news. No one was supposed to tell.

Obama and his advisors are not going to support OUR troops with assistance. They want the other side to win! Soviet Russia is arrogantly proud and they are like elephants who never forget. Obama may hand Afghan over to the Soviets.

I'm not very familiar with this area of the world, so I really shouldn't comment.

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on October 16, 2009 at 2:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Patrick: Come on. Aren't you going to answer Outlaw about where you served as a Marine in Nam? And Gen. Abrams?
We're waiting.
Or have you left already for your skunk hunt. I think the trail will lead you directly to the Big Blind One, Estrogen.

Posted by outlaw11 (anonymous) on October 16, 2009 at 3:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LA: Ms Pelosi is one of those liberals who would welcome leaders of enemy countries to visit and talk about world peace, then escourt them thru our "security systems" and explain to them how these systems work. She has no idea how war works and thinks she is hot crap. But, for some reason, the people in Ca. vote for her. Yes, Mac was selected,as I stated, for a reason, he tried to get to Obama thru Patreaus, but was shot down by Obama's advisors. Pelosi is the real problem in her state, responsible for the water being shut off up north in the farming vally to protect some fish form becoming extinct, yet, all the farmers and their help are starving. If all Congressmen could walk for a week in a "ground pounder's" boots in a war zone, then they would all become conservative...oh, by the way, Patrick is the first Marine I've ever talked to who is a liberal...and I've been around 1000's. You know, the 11th went thru hell...I crossed paths with them in '69 when they picked me and another LRRP in the Quangtri Province and carried us to a Special Forces FB outside Danang for debriefing. You said it took him 35 yrs to deal with it, I went thru a lot of stuff, too, but, in '85 I kind of came into my own. I still find myself in la-la land sometimes, but, I realize depression can be terminal. Maybe I can meet him sometime. Anyway, if Pelosi gets one more face-lift, we won't have to worry about what she has to say because she won't be able to open her mouth as it will be wrapped around her ears.

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on October 16, 2009 at 3:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Shamrock: Obama has authorized ....on the QT, 13,000 troops deployed to Afghanistan. I don't know if they are battle ready or support troops. What a pitiful statement of non support to our troops! It makes me sick! Thank God we have less than 13 months to the 2010 elections!

The Russians have already had their way with Afghanistan during their 9-10 year war. Pregnant Afghan women were bayoneted through their stomachs, murdering both mother and child. Russian soldiers tied money or toys to IED's and innocent children were maimed with blown off limbs, blinded, burned little bodies, men stacked up like firewood and burned.....while still alive. Over a million Afghans were murdered! The atrocities committed by the Russians were unthinkable to any sane person. If you want to get excellent first hand information, the Charlie Wilson Story is a great starting place. That man would not take no for an answer and moved mountains to help the Afghan people!

It is sickening to know that this administration has surrounded itself with people who admire Mao, Chavez and Marx. Americans who are constitutionalists and believe in what our founding fathers fought for, must not blink! If we do, America as we have known her will be no more!

Posted by outlaw11 (anonymous) on October 16, 2009 at 3:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey Shamrock, remember, the Soviets don't want Afghan, unless it's free...they've already been whipped there. It's my opinion and that of a selected few of my 'old vets' that this war started long ago for oil rights, and, the Bush family, the Cheney family, the Rockerfellers, and a few German families (who all got together in the 1930s) started this crap but lost control and now the US is in deep do-do to do the right thing...thanks lil' Bush...yeah, Obama is going to sit on his kiester and let many more Americans die, then, blame it on McCrystal, just like LBJ,Carter,Clinton and then get up to preach with Al Sharton, J.Jackson,etc. and blame it on poor military decisions. He better get off his ass, give Mac what he needs, then take credit. I don't care what the election turns up, fraud or not, protect "our people", and either build up or quit, it is simple...because no matter what, within 6-18 months after we leave, victorious or not, it will revert back to what it has been for 2000 years, and we will be out billions of dollars not to mention the loss of lives, so, come on, Obama, stop being an O'Leary's cow and do the right thing.

Posted by realist (anonymous) on October 16, 2009 at 3:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The situation is extremely complicated in Afghanistan. It turns my stomach to think of all the lives that will be lost if we send more troops and continue fighting for several more years, but the alternative is probably even worse. But our treasure and our lives aren't unlimited, nor is the patience of the America people.

The trouble with the whole situation is it's so hard to know when enough is enough. How many troops will it take to secure the country? How many years will it take to destroy the insurgent movement completely? Is that even possible, and if not is there a point where we can consider them little enough threat to leave Afghanistan? How do we determine that point?

All very difficult questions, and none of the possible solutions will please everyone.

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on October 16, 2009 at 3:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

outlaw11: First I must say I almost fell out of my chair with laughter from your Pelosi last line zinger! I call her Nancy Streeeetch Pelosi!

I suppose Patrick must be a lone wolf in a pack of a million!
I find it hard to grasp any military person being a liberal. However, I know there is a segment that is staunch Obama supporters. I am sure you understand.

Yes three plus decades is a long time to hold freeze frames in your head. But after seeing his historical account written, it was finally over. I don't know why that worked, but the main thing is ...it worked! Yes I now know the hell the 11th lived through. Hearing it was more than I could bear. I can only imagine the horror of seeing what you all saw. God Bless all who served there! As a matter of fact, he is going back to Viet Nam in the spring and is really pumped. One of his 11th Cav buddies will join him and his Vietnamese guide. I hope he finds total closure and reconciliation. I hope all war veterans do.

Posted by outlaw11 (anonymous) on October 16, 2009 at 3:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Quick follow-up: possible 13,000 "support" troops, not combat troops...these are troops who go into the villages to pass out food, fix water lines, etc, engineers who are not combat trained, but, can still fight if needed. Not what Mac needs right now, more un-trained soldiers who need back-up. Typical Obama/advisor's move. This is just what we have predicted on this web-site...yeah,LA, you hit the nail on the head, you can make a big splash if you belly flop, or you can dive smoothly if you keep your head down, hands together, knees/feet together, and make no splash...it appears that Obama needs to spend a week at Ft Bragg, a week at Camp Lejuene, a week at Coronada, and a week at Hulburt Field...then go thru SERE at a 173rd Airborne Tng site off the Okinawa coast called Iriomote, and if the boy from ?Chicago? ?Hawaii? ?Kenya? should pass muster, maybe we could trust him to make a call in ref to world matters, but, as of now, the smartest part of him is his wife...so, for some reason, he feels that he has met the immediate call for a build-up...not...this is the same false sense that Bush tried to convey by sending in NG troops to "shore up" the war in Iraq. No sir, we are not going to accept this. I get a little loud and over-wrought in these situations, but, only 2 of my comments have been delated so far...I feel sure several more will be deleted over a period of time, but, if you don't speak you can't be heard.

Posted by outlaw11 (anonymous) on October 16, 2009 at 4:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

realist: your comments are very serious, so, you must be, too. We here at home have no real view as to what is actually going on and the reports we get are vague, at most. As a vet, I watch news, read papers, internet, etc., then try to weed out what I think is BS, based on my years with the gov't. I have family active and my family has had active duty since before WW1 thru today, so I try to keep up. I know from talking to and emailing to a few 10th Mtn Div persons plus several Rangers & Special Forces members I know that the Afghans love our people and appreciate all the efforts of rebuilding, supplying water, food, education, etc., but, they will not take a stand when the Taliban come calling...terrorism at it's best...so, no,realist,we cannot win at any cost, but, because we are the police of the world, we have to try...that is what each and every troop you talk to will say...is it worth it? Tomorrow, Oct 17th, I turn 61, 2 tours in VN, 2 yrs as a contractor w/CIA, 2 yrs w/local NG,1 yr as advisor to J3 preparing Rangers,SF,Delta for war in the Middle East (1988), so far it has not worked...in this 'ole outlaw's' opinion, it will not work but we have to give Mac a chance 'cause it's the American way, so we spent billions of dollars and 58,000+ lives in the 'Nam, no matter the cost- give Mac what he asked for...we may win this time...rah,rah,rah, no one wins in war. Thanks, Realist.

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on October 16, 2009 at 4:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Absolutely spell binding!!!
Loyal, Outlaw! Thank you so much for informing. You know the lingo, you know the truth. Patrick is a woos. Jane Fonda type. There were a few that fell for that so I heard, went to Red Cong's.
I also saw the History channel the other day about Charlie Wilson and Gus - his war, Afghanistan.

Loyal, reading what the Soviets did to those women and children, makes my blood run cold. They have no conscience - the walking dead - barbarics!!!
People in our White House admire this!!! I want to throw up.
On our knees, we MUST pray.

Posted by outlaw11 (anonymous) on October 16, 2009 at 5:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey LA: glad your man is going back over...hope it works. I went back in '73, still the same...but, I did not wear a uniform, so it was not so intense. Maybe he can get some closure...I will bow to my 'Spirit In The Sky' to guide him home (to you). I will never go back as I have gotten a new outlook on that war, and, have for about 15 years gotten Rangers and SF personnel call or come to see me in ref to war...I don't always have the answers they need but for some reason they feel at home around me and leave with a positive attitude. This past week-end, my son came up from Ft Walton Bch and brought 2 Rangers to meet me... guess what? all I could say was I fought in the jungle, tree to tree, you have no place to hide, so just enjoy these ribeyes and 'taters, beer, and pie...they said, "Sarge, is this all you have to offer? I said,"Yeah, just get the fastest camel and post it for escape". They said you're kidding, and, I said no...did you not watch the invasion on Afghan? The Special Forces rode across the dunes on camels, firing weapons, causing kaos, by surprise, hands down the best attack in the history of mankind...now, eat these steaks, all this food in front of you, enjoy Landshark beer, then go home and prepare for everything you never imagined...I appreciate the respect given to me by these Rangers but, I can't keep them alive and I am not a Priest nor a minister nor a bishop nor anything else these young men going into combat picture me to be. So they left with full bellies, memories of good rock'n'roll, and now it's all theirs...as is the plight of Mac to Obama...I hope he doesn't let these young Rangers down.

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on October 16, 2009 at 7:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Outlaw: we need you to flush out and quell beaker aka floknos. a real lulu!!! It's on the Rally on the Sqaure and 4 Arrested. Patrick is going skunk hunting during the Rally. Lulu is quoting Scripture and making me livid.

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on October 16, 2009 at 7:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sorry to have interupted. Outlaw, you needn't waste your time on beaker.

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on October 16, 2009 at 7:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

outlaw11: One of the best things that happened to my husband was when he began to participate in the 11th Cav Reunions held every year. Oh my goodness....they are AWESOME!!!!!! I LOVE them! The spirit, camaraderie.. it can not be put into words!! We go for different reasons, but we leave every reunion with renewed spirit, admiration for our fellow man and a feeling of belonging that can not be described. If any Viet Nam vets have units that have annual reunions, go....please go! It will mend your hearts and feed your soul!

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on October 16, 2009 at 7:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

outlaw11: Re: Your 5:10 post. I am glad those Rangers have the memory of your hospitality. If there is one thing that keeps our troops going, it is memories of home. One of my sons always focused on that special chocolate cake he KNEW would be waiting for him when he came through the door from the desert. The other son dreams of the homemade pepper sauce to smother his morning eggs when he returns in another year. People just don't realize how much the little things matter! With the holidays fast approaching, I would like to remind, whomever reads this, please take time to send a few cards to our deployed troops. They pass them around like bags of chips so everyone can feel remembered. It takes so little and means so much! I join you is praying that Obama does not let our troops down.

Posted by supprtVets (anonymous) on October 16, 2009 at 8:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

So I guess this personal editoral was put on here for all of you to have a private place to fight all weekend about the war, and toot your horns,................have fun!

Posted by outlaw11 (anonymous) on October 16, 2009 at 8:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

supprtVets: why do you say this and where do you stand? We don't fight nor do we toot our horns, but we stand proud, and don't back up...where are you and why do you question us? I think all of us have a place to vent in this forum and should not put anyone else down...did you get my private message?>

Posted by outlaw11 (anonymous) on October 16, 2009 at 8:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You know, today I turn 61 and I am going to sleep late...airborne yeah...

Posted by supprtVets (anonymous) on October 16, 2009 at 9:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I was just joking Steve.............

Posted by supprtVets (anonymous) on October 16, 2009 at 9:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

p.s.....yes I received the private message and it was a very well thought out answer and very correct, a lot of knowlege condensed down to a concise paragraph, I wish you could run for one of those offices, or help the person that does run, you have a lot of good, sound, earned wisdom...Happy Birthday!

Posted by outlaw11 (anonymous) on October 17, 2009 at 4:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

supprtVets: thank you, very simply, thank you. I have lived to reach 2 years beyond what the Dr's gave me...61 looked good...62 would be better.

Posted by outlaw11 (anonymous) on October 17, 2009 at 4:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Today I'm 61 yo, talking to a computer, not speaking, not with my mouth, yet, reaching more ears than I ever reached than when I taught Jr College. supprtVets: you spoke a name I'm not familar with(Steve)...I helped one of our people get in office over 30 years ago and stay there for an eternity...Seth was raised and educated for Gov'r, but better placed as he has been over the years...and...if I could speak (asbestosis has taken over my lungs and voice), I would run for office as I feel that my background and beliefs would put me in the front running order. But thanks to Seth and all his pull to bring home what has happened the last 30 yrs or so. and thanks to supprtVets, LA,Shamrock, & all other liberaterians(not liberals), happy BD to me...

Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on October 17, 2009 at 6:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

outlaw11: We would like to say Happy Birthday! Hope your day is great and your team wins today! This old Blackhorse I serve coffee to every morning, sends a special hello!

Posted by outlaw11 (anonymous) on October 17, 2009 at 6:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks, Blackhorse 1, and may you always get what you deserve, land on my 'green', come in low,slow, and loud...we gotta be quick...those people have this place, not us...call "PUFF" and vacate...thanks for the BD wish...

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on October 17, 2009 at 8:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU, OUTLAW! Welcome to the 60's brigade.
There is freedom in this bracket in life!
What's with Landshark. I took you for a Guinness man - Stout.

I'm going to the Rally.

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on October 17, 2009 at 9 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Outlaw: I am saving your 16th,5:10pm post. Those boys are your family and you sent them off with as you said, full bellies, good beer and good rock n roll! and I know they will all be in your best prayers, and ours.
Many thanks as well to you Loyal and Blackhorse1...

this stuff is REAL, folks! FEEL IT!

Posted by outlaw11 (anonymous) on October 17, 2009 at 1:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Shamrock: one of my three favorite artists is Jimmy Buffet and he founded/owns Landshark, brewed in Jacksonville, FL and based on a receipt from the islands...good beer...I have tasted the best and this ranks up front...I like Jim Beam, Bud(now Landshark), & Svedka (vodka)...so, I guess that I am a drinker...I am planning to be at the rally,too...but I have company coming up from FWB, so I may not make it. This is not the first young men to come see me and it is not the last...our 'family' of Rangers, Special Forces, is very close knit and we share a lot when life permits, so whenever one of ours is near, we connect and I cook, provide food,whatever, and the everready image of total confidence to send these young troops off. Then I drop to my knees and give myself to my 'Spirit In the Sky' to bring them home safe. You see, we are not allowed to cry, so we just sit in silence and pray for the brave...honor is to die in battle or live to walk among men (or women), and one day lay down when your life is thru...this is my vow and has been since I was old enough to understand my legacy...thanks for your back-up

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on October 17, 2009 at 6:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well Outlaw: you were certainly there at the rally in spirit with us. Not many, but the ones there, we connected. We've shared names, and emails. We'll keep in touch with each other as the Obama nightmare unfolds upon us, just as you and Loyal do with your families and military friends.
It meant alot to me that we have on-the-same-page friends out here, and they're willing to stand up for our country and for their faith.
Two of us decided to walk over to WAAO and talk to the dj. It was Amos. He let one of us talk on the radio to tell every one listening to come to the rally or drive by - they DID!
Michelle was out there getting some info for the paper.
Someone had a digit camera.
I truly wish you, Loyal and Winkie, et al, could've made it It was great! But eveyone was really there in spirit.

One thing we have to really watch for is this "pandemic" and the shots. I am trying to verify the info I received from Canada before saying anything. It is NOT good, regardless. I have this urgency to write something in paper about it, but I have to be sure.
Some say, "that's too depressing. I don't want to hear about all that stuff." I say, better to know, then not. That's when we can prepare and not be sucked in, or put into shock when events MAY come.

I want to thank the doc and his doc wife for getting this rally together in such short notice. They had very well-made signs and lots of info. Good people! He has military background too!
Love you all.

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on October 17, 2009 at 6:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Outlaw: thanks for info on Jimmy Buffet. I love his music. Don't know about the beer part though.
Now, you just can't hardly beat Irish porter, and the comraderee it brings to the table.
I'll try it just for you.

Posted by outlaw11 (anonymous) on October 18, 2009 at 11:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Sun AM: Sham' please share any info in ref to the "shot" that you have been privy to as it may keep some of us alive...I, for one, don't take any shots since I had a reaction to one in 2001 and almost died, but, I am an asbestosis patient/survivor, and already take a lot of meds each day. I have never trusted our gov't to pass out the correct meds since 1984. That is when they tried to "shoot up" soldiers and make them into "super-troopers", and a lot of them died, then came Desert Storm and the 'shots' that have to-date killed over 1000 vets, ALS, Lou Gerrigh's disease, and I buried my best friend, a 24 yr vet, Dave Gilfillan, who died from this 3 yrs ago, after getting these shots and serving in the first Iraqi war. Yeah, Irish beer is probably the best in the world and I have sucked down my share of it, but, Landshark does not taste like an American beer, nor like any other I have ever tasted, so, maybe that's why I like it. Since it's Sunday, everyone is responding to another letter or article, so, please be safe and be happy.

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on October 18, 2009 at 6:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Outlaw: Was gone most of the day - time with my mother who is 87!
I tell you what. Why don't you subscribe for Dr. Joseph Mercola's emails - he is an expert on these shots and the swine shot. www.jm@mercola.com
Also, www.naturalnews.com another excellent site for what to do about all this. You will get daily reports and they both have archives.

But briefly - DON'T TAKE ANY VACCINATION SHOTS FOR ANYTHING, BUT ESPECIALLY THE SEASONAL AND THE SWINE.
There's some goodies in there [SQUALENE]that can cause GBS (Guilliere Barres Syndrome) Gulf War Syndrome..paralysis and worse. AND, Thimerasol or MERCURY - brain damage, autism, ADD...as well as aluminum for Alzheimers.

What everyone does need to take is Vitamin D3 - make sure it is NOT a prescription D3. One can take 35 iu's per lb. of body weight for starters. Some folks need 30,000 iu's daily. But usually 5,000 to 10,000 iu's daily will be greatly beneficial.
Now, you can get your blood tested for D3 to see what your blood level is. Dr. Mercola has a chart you can go by for the amount of D3 we need to take. Sun is great if you can get enough of it. It makes vit. D.

The research done over the years shows that Americans are a deficient in this simple vitamin - it prevents the flu - breast cancer and other cancers, and is the front line in combating all infections! Drs. don't tell us, so we have to find out like everything else, from alternative sources.

Do you think Big Pharma wants us to know about this research?
A place to order wholesale is: www.vitacost.com
You don't have to use the internet to order - you can call their 800 #. But they carry all brands of just about everything in the way of herbs, vits, homeopathics and such, including freeze dried food for storage (Mountain House) and it is delicious!
I'll email you some more info.

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on October 19, 2009 at 8:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Will be gone this morning AGAIN.

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on October 19, 2009 at 4:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

outlaw11 : I've been on vacation for the last week and I've been trying to catch up on the post that have been posted while I was away. I want to first thank you for your service and your love for our country. I also thank you for your post that show both your knowledge and military experience. I look forward to reading more. LoyalAmerican, I understand about your husband taking 35 years to be able to talk about the things he saw in war. I have an uncle that was in the Korean war and I don't guess he ever talks about it. I've always heard that when a person has been there and seen terrible things, that they won't publicize it. I think my uncle is around 78 years old and there aren't many left that he served with, but the ones that are left have an unbreakable bond.
I hope that Obama will send the troops that General McChrystal has asked for and will get of his rump and do it soon, but I sure don't have any confidence that he will.

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on October 19, 2009 at 6:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

rgodwin: Welcome back from vacation! So good to read your post. Hope you are in good spirits and refreshed.
We had a rally in the square Sat. protesting mainstream media and applauding WAAO and newspaper, esp. Opinions topics. My report is on 17th 6:10pm.
TTYL

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on October 20, 2009 at 9:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I was watching Glenn Beck this afternoon and he showed the video from this link on utube. I thought it was great and wanted everyone to at least have the opportunity to see it.

http://iraqsinconvenienttruth.com/2009/1...

Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on October 22, 2009 at 6:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I read this morning where Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, Governor of the People’s Republic of California, has “terminated” the Second Amendment in his state. This is a little off topic, but I believe the Obama administration is behind it and it will surely spread. If we sit idle and let these idiots destroy our second amendment rights and destroy our ability to have timely health care when needed, then we will deserve whatever we wind up with. A lot of blood was shed for us to become the free nation that we are, and it's a shame to let one mans dream of socialism destroy such a great nation. You can read about Schwarzenegger's poor decision by ckicking on the link.

http://disc.yourwebapps.com/discussion.c...

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on October 22, 2009 at 9:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am extremely upset about the news I received from France and from Canada that has to do with the swine flu vaccination.
I had to verify it. This is the site that verifies:
www.whale.to/vaccine/pharmaceutical.html...

I received email from Canada and then today from France, in French which I was able to understand, mostly. They both are warning their people about the fake pandemic and what the shot will deliver to whomever takes it.
Please alert your loved ones, esp. children and mothers-to- be in their late term!
I've given the website to Justin and asked that he do the right thing and alert Star News readers.

Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 5:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well, it's been ages since anyone has posted here.

We have just been wounded on American soil at Ft. Hood by a Major Nidal Hasan, in charge of mental health for our boys, who has execution-style - murdered our young boys!!!!
And maimed the others!!!

May God help them and their families! I promise them my deep prayers to Almighty God.

Posted by captaindon (anonymous) on November 7, 2009 at 6:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes and it already is. Thank you Obama for screwing us one more time and most of all murdering American soldiers.