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Doctor’s no fan of health reform plan
Published Saturday, September 26, 2009
I have been a pediatrician in Montgomery for 10 years in a very busy practice. I have tremendous concerns regarding the current health care reform proposals. Since I did not have a chance to speak during the recent MASA meeting with Rep. Bobby Bright, I felt it necessary to express my views in some way. In reading large portions of HR 3200, I see no true reform of our health care system. Instead, I see an increased level of bureaucracy being placed between patients and me.
I have great concerns about the Healthcare Commissioner in HR 3200, who seems to be almost a deity in his powers over health care. These powers are extolled at length in the first 500 pages of HR 3200, which, by the way, looks to me to be the equivalent of the IRS taking over health care, with civil penalties levied against doctors and hospitals for any tests the Healthcare Commissioner deems inappropriate.
Also, in HR 3200, the government will conduct a study of the financial solvency and capital reserve levels of employers that self-insure, to ascertain whether or not their companies are “financially solvent.” So, not only is this legislation an intrusion into the doctor-patient relationship, but it is also an assault on private businesses in this country.
The government will have “real time” access to individual bank accounts of covered patients, to enable electronic funds transfers from patients’ private bank accounts for automatic reconciliation with related health care payments. Audits of employers, physicians and hospitals will be conducted by the Health Choices Commissioner to ensure compliance with federal government regulations.
I don’t know about everyone else, but I love the idea of more potential audits by the government. One may wonder how the government will access physicians’ records to evaluate compliance with regulations and quality standards. They will accomplish this using the electronic medical records of physicians. Also very alarming to me is the section of HR 3200 stating that certain cancer hospitals will be studied to see how their costs compare to other hospitals.
In addition, a special panel will decide which treatments and procedures are more efficient and cost effective, and physicians will only be allowed to use these procedures. For example, many surgeries, procedures and medications that we use today are experimental or do not have scientific studies to support them, but they greatly benefit patients. Under this legislation, many of these entities will no longer be allowed.
From what I have read of the proposed legislation in HR 3200, I, as a physician, will no longer be able to treat patients as individuals. However, because no tort reform is included in this bill, I will face lawsuits if I miss a diagnosis, but my hands will be tied by restrictions put in place by an arrogant and over-reaching bureaucracy. I will also be forced, as a primary care physician, to see even larger numbers of patients each day, which will mean less time and personal attention for each patient.
This will occur since this legislation will worsen an already existing physician shortage, when specialists leave the field and bright people stop entering medical schools because of the inhospitable climate that will be created in the medical profession. I can, however, see one group of individuals who will benefit from this legislation — the trial lawyers who bring lawsuits against hospitals and physicians. Of course, we must continue to feed these parasites.
I love my patients and I deeply enjoy caring for my patients, but I fear that I and other caring physicians will no longer be able to function under such a system. I fear that the art of medicine, an ancient sacred art, will be forever tarnished by such draconian health care reform, and that we may never be able to reclaim it. The truly sad fact is that true reform would be possible if lawmakers would make an attempt to bring everyone to the table to discuss options, rather than cater to special interest groups.
But we, as physicians and patients, must fight this proposed reform with all our might. We must not be afraid to speak out for true reform. The American people, not the so-called Blue Dog Democrats, have slowed the progression of this bill already. Ultimately, I believe that is enough American people and American physicians stand up and speak out, we can stop this lunacy and demand real reform. Please stand and fight with me.
Editor’s note: Dr. Fekete is originally from Andalusia.
Cheryl Fekete, MD
Montgomery
Comments
Posted by kathystephens (anonymous) on September 26, 2009 at 2:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I agree with you. I have commicated with all my reps and told them I do not want governemnt in my health care or really anywhere else in my business. I am so sick of the adminstration and government period. They have too much power and grabbing more every day. I could go on but I won't. So GOD bless America and everyone please pray hard for sense to return to government.
Posted by Estragon (anonymous) on September 26, 2009 at 7:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Some physicians, especially in private practice, are unfortunately the last people one should consult about health care policy. This letter is full of misinformation as, the doctor concedes, she is discussing "what she has read about HR3200," as opposed to having read the House bill or the Senate bills that are under consideration.
This nation can not afford a health care system that approaches 19% of GDP. Our current system of employment-related health insurance coverage, with health insurance companies able to name their price, is bankrupt and unsustainable.
No other industry (and health care is an industry) that commands such a large percentage of our nation's financial output is conducted in a mom and pop manner. Small physician practices based on a fee-for-service method of billing is history. The free market does not work in the health care delivery system. Try going to your physician and bargaining for the services that will be provided to you and their price.
Here is "real reform," Dr. Fekete: A single payor system is adopted and health insurance companies, which have no social value or financial utility to the health care system, are abolished. Doctors become employees of large, multi-specialty health clinics, like the Mayo Clinic, and instead of being compensated on the basis of how many tests they can order or procedures they can perform, they receive a straight salary. This would eliminate the financial incentive of physicians to increase the overall cost of the health care system by over treating, a practice that is wide spread.
A recent survey by the Mt. Sinai School of Medicine in NYC found that 63% of all physicians in the United States support a public option. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.... Another survey by SurveyUSA and NBC/WSJ found that 77% of the American public supports a public option. http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo.... There is absolutely no support for the doctor's statement that, "the American people...have slowed the progression of this bill...."
Corporate America can not afford our health care system. It is that simple. Our nation cannot compete in the world economy when our health care system requires 19% of GDP while other western industrial countries are spending less than 10%. And, maybe when we get some "real reform" in health care, that gaudy house and yard down on Florala Highway will get a lot less tacky.
Posted by MoreCowBell (anonymous) on September 26, 2009 at 8 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Estrogen: You need to get your polling data from an unbiased source. Please see the Rasmussen poll report. 56% of voting Americans are opposed to the current plan proposed by "The One" and his despots.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c...
The majority of the American people are opposed to this plan. Single payer system will have to go before most people will even start to consider changing their minds. "The One's" approval rating is going down in flames partially from this healthcare debacle and his new role as "apologizer in chief".
One thing I can agree with you on. The house and yard are very gaudy. However, the good doctor's money was probably already in place long before his practice began.
Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on September 26, 2009 at 8:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)
First of all, thank you, Doctor for writing your letter to Andalusia Star News.
It amazes me to read, always without exception, how liberal thinkers say, anyone with any different train of thought can not read OR understand what they read! Hogwash Estragon!
The writer for this article did NOT mislead by one syllable what is in HR 3200. I have read HR 3200 and, as it is written, the doctor has interpreted what is FACT! You can throw out all the percentages and poll surveys you want. The accuracy of a poll depends on how a question is asked and to whom it is asked. What a nation can not afford is a $10 trillion deficit! Tort reform must be one of the strong tenets of ANY health care reform! Doctor's order all the extra tests as a method of CYA! They have to have this cover because of the litigation mongers! And yes....other countries spend less on health care than America....AND they are having increased numbers of death BECAUSE they are cheap! Breast cancer survival has drop dramatically because of the cheap seats! You have been asleep at the wheel if you think Americans have not slowed down the progression of this health care bill. The democrats would have shoved 3200 down our throats in July, had it not been for the American people standing up. This slowed progression, hopefully, will cause the single payer system to be DOA on the floor of the Senate!! Your approach is so socialistic and is senseless. By the way, what in the world does a house on Florala Hwy have to do with health care reform? Are you singling out someone less fortunate so you can be snotty or is it your home? If it is the former, shame on you!
Posted by Estragon (anonymous) on September 26, 2009 at 9:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)
LoyalAmerican:
Your ability to dissemble amazes me. You are the most uninformed blogger on the Star-News blog. Well, maybe I won't go that far...you have a lot of company in the "stupid" category.
1. Your statement that other countries have more deaths because they spend less money on health care is WRONG. Our mortality, as measured by life expectancy, is 24th in the world. WHO Report 2004. http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthy_...
2. Medical malpractice costs to the system are only 2% of the total health care expenditures. While defensive medicine is not factored into this, it is questionable as to whether the "more tests" are for CYA or for more bucks.
3. I don't know what your statement refers to when you say that breast cancer survival has drop (sic) dramatically because of the cheap seats!" The life expectancy of women in the U.S., according to the WHO Report cited earlier, is 19th in the world (men in the U.S. live 5 years less than women, the reason why we rank 24th overall but women are 19th). The study you may have been referring to that found higher cancer survivor rates in the U.S. for breast and prostate cancer also found that these survival rates varied greatly in the U.S. depending on race, state of residence, and urban/rural differences. The conclusion that can be reached from this is not that our health care delivery system produces better survival rates for certain cancers, but that there are demographic differences in the U.S. that account for this phenomenon. http://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/2008071...
4. If you don't know the house on Florala Hwy that I am referring to, you are not paying attention...which is exactly my point. You don't pay attention.
5. Unfortunately, our health care system can not help you. There is no cure for either stupidity or dogmatism.
Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on September 26, 2009 at 9:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Estragon: A lot of things I may be but "stupid" as you know it, is not one one of those things.
1. Check with Canada and England regarding the decline of breast care survival.
2. Medical malpractice is only 2 %. That 2 % is roughly $40 Billion. Maybe that is not a lot by your standards!
3. Refer to #1
4. Your comment regarding the house on Florala Hwy escaped me because I do not think the way as a hate filled
self rightous person such as you. Now I understand it better, yours is most probably a case of jealousy. You hate prosperity because it has eluded you, at least by my standard!
5. Your comment shows ,once again, what a mean spirited person you are. People like you do more harm to your cause than one can imagine. All you do is attack and regurgitate left wing hate filled venom. You never post anything positive. You lay low like a sanke then pop up with more untruths and hate filled rhetoric. Please Keep It Up. The more you speak, the more people understand why your way of thinking is one of hypocrisy, intolerance, racist , bigoted, immense stupidity, shallow and corrupt! I am sure your left wing buddies will enjoy reading your post. Birds of a feather.......
Posted by bluecollarguy (anonymous) on September 26, 2009 at 10:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)
...Here we go again.....'throw the dog a bone to naw on'...put a controversial subject for people to write on, read, and re-read, e-mail to their friends to 'distract' them from what their minds should be on..
In a mere 90 ninety days will began the 2010 election year that will change all our lives, make them worse, make them better, or captivate us, or set us free. Health care is a 'smokescreen', they were talking this crap back in '92, ain't nothing gonna happen, but to distract you on local elections like from your Republican do nothing US Senators all the way down to schools boards, You people 'fall' for it every election, every single election, and the same 'ole ones keep getting the jobs, and nothing gets any better, until the d###n place is about 'dried up' except for the schools, and we're all too old to attend..........write, write, and write, about healthcare......and look back one year from today, save this peice....all's that's gonna change is you will have elected your same ole' officials to another long drawn out term...and healthcare will be the same as it is now.
Posted by Patrick (anonymous) on September 26, 2009 at 10:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The current bills seem to be very complicated.
Simplify the process: Extend Medicare to every American (hold the Medicare payment structure to control cost), do away with the private medical insurance bureaucracy (saving 30% off the top), and then figure out the financial end.
Eventually some authority will need to be created to question when doctors are prescribing excessive tests to increase their revenues. Thus the healthcare commissioner the doctor refers to in her letter.
Healthcare can be paid for with any number of taxes. I don't advocate any tax in particular. $0.10 per container of bottled drinks or simply a % charge on gross income each year to cover the healthcare program. This would allow people to see how much it cost they could modify it in the future if necessary.
Americans and particularly the (Christian) right are forgetting the need to provide for the least of citizens. Money seems to be the real God for many.
Posted by WAtidefan (anonymous) on September 26, 2009 at 1:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Many moons ago, LoyalAmerican posted a great health care plan. Perhaps she will be so gracious as to copy and paste that post again.
We need health care reform. That has been agreed on by most all who have posted ad nauseum on this topic. What we disagree on is what that reform should be.
Obama has repeated told untruths about ObamaCare. What more do we need to know?
Posted by WAtidefan (anonymous) on September 26, 2009 at 2:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Patrick: How much money do you donate to charity? Have you adopted a poor family? I bet not. I'd guess you are another typical liberal who lives by the "do as I say, not as I do"?
I do appreciate that you are honest enough to admit that we will be taxed, taxed, then taxed some more. Most liberals including Obama will lie about it. Why is it always the conservatives/Christians who don't care about poor people? You have your head firmly stuck in the sand. As was suggested on another thread, read the book Uncle Sam's Plantation by Star Parker.
It is all part of a plan to make all of us dependent on the federal government for everything. Remember, if the government "gives" it to you, the government can take it away.
Posted by 188822 (anonymous) on September 26, 2009 at 3:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I agree with Patrick!
Posted by bluecollarguy (anonymous) on September 26, 2009 at 5:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Patrick, don't listen to Washington Tide Fad, she jusy wants to go look up things from Wikipedia, quote them, and look smart, she's planning on comming back down to Covington County herself first chance she gets, that's why she reads this paper everyday.,,,,wait til she gets Winkie Wonka, Shamrock tilly Lace, and the rest of her gang after you, I've done seen them all in action. I really believe that they are a Republican group out of Washington to try and thwart any progression in and around Covington County, a tactic started bt William Randolph Hearst manipulating his newspaper readers decades ago to get the election results he wanted. They maybe could get away with it, if it wasn't for me exposing them to the public.
Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on September 26, 2009 at 7:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)
WAtidefan: It is hopeless. There simply is no way to get any liberal to listen to anything conservative. They have selective hearing and tunnel vision at best. I do find it totally ironic Wm R. Hearst was referenced with intent to slam conservatives. His brand of yellow journalism is alive and well in America today, compliments of the drooling Obama media hounds! Every single editor/ bureau chief of liberal news outlets, reports THEIR interpretation of the news and spoon feeds it to the Americans who will swallow it. There is not one sliver of objective journalism on ANY liberal TV station or newspaper. George Stephanoupolous is the first to make a crack in the "thin yellow line". The liberals are masters at manipulating today's news. As one liberal posted a day or two ago about "paranoia" with regards to "right wing extremist" I found humorous the last two sentences posted by bcg. What they write and say they dislike about conservatives, is actually all things liberal.
Amazing, simply amazing! Beam me up Scotty.........
Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on September 26, 2009 at 7:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)
To the Blind Ones: YOU ARE BLIND! What a terror to know that you are blind! I believe it is a curse for those who hate Truth. All you are doing is hurting your "cause". People read this crap and shake their heads and wake away. Bye Bye!
Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on September 26, 2009 at 7:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)
To our hometown Doctor of Medicine - the ancient art of healing: Thank you very much for your courage and passion in writing what you have deciphered from the Healthcare bills. The Blind Ones have to do this Ritual of defending whatever and whomever has a progressive something or other. Not much thought there.
Continue your fight - our prayers are with you, Dr. Cheryl Fekete, MD.. The MAJORITY stands by you!
Posted by WAtidefan (anonymous) on September 26, 2009 at 8:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
bluecollarguy: I don't use Wikipedia. I don't even let my students use Wikipedia. Do you know what wiki means? It is what you lacking mentally.
You, bcg, are the one who has had to apologize to others for trashing a school system and had to admit you listened to gossip and hear say and formed opinions and posted inflammatory remarks about an entire community (Straughn) based on no direct knowledge. Yet, you claim to know so much about me. You would think that you would have leaned your lesson.
I am not part of any group in Washington or anywhere else. I do not report the news for ASN or any other media outlet so how I can I manipulate the news? I guess I should be flattered that you find me, LoyalAmerican, Winkie, Shamrock, rgodwin and others so powerful. The good citizens of CC can sleep soundly knowing that you have "seen us in action" and have "exposed us" and now we have failed in our attempt to stop progress in CC. How fortunate they are to have you, bcg to stand ever vigilant protecting the citizenry against the evil conservatives!
The absolutely most ridiculous part of your post is to accuse conservatives of manipulating the news. Your blindness to the world around you is beyond the pale.
Posted by WAtidefan (anonymous) on September 26, 2009 at 8:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Shamrock: our posts crossed. Blind indeed.
LoyalAmerican: yes, I fear it is hopeless. Maybe bluecollarguy hangs out at the mental health clinic along with one of our other frequent posters? Conservative friends: we must work harder. We must not be discouraged by the brilliance of bluecollarguy. He can't be everywhere. Onward, onward until we have thwarted every small town in America. Thwarters, unite!!!!!
Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on September 26, 2009 at 8:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)
WAtidefdan: wiki wiki....we have the pow-wah! Like a good crisis, let's not let it go to waste!
Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on September 26, 2009 at 8:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Shamrock: Thanks for your 7:40 post. It is great knowing a homegrown citizen has done well and is making a difference! Thank you Dr. Fekete for your input. It is valuable and on spot!
Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on September 26, 2009 at 8:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Winkie: The word is Fluffing. VIM (veryimportantmessage)
Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on September 26, 2009 at 8:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Dear people: We are the happy, self-confident, and the passionate ones who are forever searching for the Truth and when found, we embrace and hold onto It as our anchor and strength! God is Truth! Praise be to God! +
Posted by Estragon (anonymous) on September 26, 2009 at 9:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Thank you bluecollarguy for exposing WATidefan as the Republican mole that she is. Another astroturf phony who says that she is for the people when in fact she is for protecting the privileged 1%. Lower class and lower middle class "conservatives" have been fooled by the modern day William Randolph Hearsts...Rupert Murdoch, Dick Armey, Richard Mellon Scaife, etc., who use religion and "patriotism" to cloud the eyes of the under class. Let's hope that one day they wake up and discovery how they have been taken in by the mendacity of billionaires.
Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on September 26, 2009 at 9:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
winkie: puddin' head is paranoid!
Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on September 26, 2009 at 9:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Yeah, Loyal, and so is Cheese head!
And who do they think are their worshipful masters? They are the world's wealthiest men, as in wealthiest! and the most powerful. I've named name after name, meeting after meeting - and they fail to admit who their progressive leaders of world politics are. They are the Billionares, boobs! They are the ones at the secret Bilderberg meetings and at Davos ---
They are not OUR MASTERS nor Leaders, but yours.
TNWOT (they'renotworthourtime)
Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on September 26, 2009 at 9:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Bluecollarguy can't expose anything, except where he lives.
Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on September 26, 2009 at 10:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)
ALERT to all: Did you know that George Soros..... the BIG liberal spender and Obama's sugar daddy is worth $11 billion!! Oprah the liberal is worth $2.7 billion, Marc Rich (Clinton's midnight pardon recipient) is worth $1.5 billion and George Mitchell (Obama's guy) is worth $3 billion.
BY CONTRAST: These conservatives have wealth as follows:
Wm R. Hearst lll, is worth $2.4 billion
Rupert Murdoch is worth $6.8 billion
Richard Scaife is worth $1.4 billion
Dick Armey IS NOT a billionaire.
So the COMBINED wealth of these THREE so called "mendacious" conservative billionaires is LESS than the high rolling Left Wing Radical Extremist GEORGE SOROS!!
Great attempt to mislead Estragon! Now who is the dishonest one?
YOU are the one misled.
Wake up, because YOU are the one who has been taken in!!
Posted by WAtidefan (anonymous) on September 26, 2009 at 10:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)
No, Estragon, the poor lower classes have been fooled by liberals and democrats for generations. They believe that the only their only hope is the government handout. They have been taught to play the victim, to cry racism, to engage in class warfare at every opportunity. It is always the fault of someone else.
The democrat party is the party of billionaires. So, your party is the party of liars. What do you hope to gain by the destruction of capitalism and wealth distribution? Will your liberal billionaires such as Soros and Buffet suddenly redistribute their money to the under class? You are the one who is brainwashed and foolish.
Posted by alabamachris (anonymous) on September 26, 2009 at 10:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Thank you Dr. Cheryl Fekete for your research into this very important legislation. I am afraid there are too many people in this country that will accept anything that the politicians in their party puts forth. Most of them don't read the bills that they profess to know so much about and slam you for taking the time out of your busy life to do so. They would rather belittle anyone that does not agree with them or their view then spend a few precious moments reading the bills but then I guess we cannot expect more since they don't seem to care whether their representatives or senators read the bills either. Just shovel the crap out and let the conservatives pay. What they don't seem to understand is a lot of them will also have to pay. They will give up every "right to privacy" they have to a liberal cause and fight to the end for the rights of every terrorist or criminal.
Posted by WAtidefan (anonymous) on September 26, 2009 at 11 p.m. (Suggest removal)
LoyalAmerican: our posts crossed. We have long known that liberals are misled and have no problem misleading others.
Posted by bluecollarguy (anonymous) on September 26, 2009 at 11:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
LA,........... just more propaganda and rhetoric from pointed head Republican strategies to undermind what they perceive is poor, ignorant Southernors that worked for so long, for so many years. Alabama has always voted backwards fom the rest of the nation because the big shots up in Washington planted folks like the ones you read here in these blogs to ridicule, and sway minds that didn't get a lot of information. Well kids, that day is over... The people are 'tired' of a raw deal, and ready for a change for the better, to better their income, economy and health coverage...I havn't seen ONE answer from a 'recipient' of a
hospital bill write in responce to keep healthcare coverage the same, .....when I do, I may change my mind.
Posted by bluecollarguy (anonymous) on September 26, 2009 at 11:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)
....Washington Tide Fad just made my point for me, she called a reader and commentor,,'brainwashed and foolish' in a public newspaper, ..and this lady calls herself, 'an educator of our youth', I'm disgusted!!
Posted by WAtidefan (anonymous) on September 26, 2009 at 11:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)
bluecollarguy: In the last 10 presidential elections, Alabama has voted with the overall winning candidate 7 times ('72,'76, '80, '84, '88, '00, '04). So, Alabama has not always voted backwards from the rest of the nation. What did LoyalAmerican post that is propaganda? Did she create the numbers?
My family is amused that you think I am a Republican mole, a plant and a thwarter. They think you are a clown.
Posted by WAtidefan (anonymous) on September 27, 2009 at 12:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)
bluecollarguy: why are you not disgusted that I have been called names by liberals posting on the thread? You have accused me of being a part of a group out to thwart CC. You have implied that I have a pointed head, that I am a Washington plant, etc. You don't have any problem with your buddy and fellow liberal Estragon calling names. Oh, I forgot, only liberals can call names. I don't have time to re-read all my posts, but I really don't think I have every called myself an "educator of youth".
Speaking of posting in a public newspaper... dude, you trashed an entire community, you have called a poster a propagandist, you said you would vote for a gubernatorial candidate based on color, and had the brass to lecture others on civility. Please!!
Posted by WAtidefan (anonymous) on September 27, 2009 at 12:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Bluecollarguy: you also had no problem with me when I agreed with you on the teachers in Florida and the unwarranted attack on their rights. Maybe you should become a politician. You flip flop enough.
Posted by bluecollarguy (anonymous) on September 27, 2009 at 5:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Well maybe I havn't caught-on yet to what you, Shamrock, Winkie, LA are selling? Once you say it straight, and to the point, I might agree....It's just looks like to this ole country boy that it ain't right....I've been reading the Star News since it came out every Thursday afternoon down on South Cotton Street, edited by Ed Dannely and Byron Vickory and cost 10 cents per issue. I've never read about some of the things you folks talk about, and quite frankly, it has been disturbing. All I could fiqure is yall all want to keep minds jumbled up so they will not think about an upcomming big election in our county and state, where you annouce your cantidacy in just 90 days, some already have. Mine is straight to the point....clean and clear.....wipe out all current office holders in the election booth, and exaimine very carefully, and let's put NEW ones in this time in All offices, get rid of the good ole boy, and picking favorites. You want to see the economy 'boost', let them bring some of those millions warchest money to Covington County and spend it here, Signs, signs, signs, newspaper ads, newspaper ads, radio spots, for about 3 or 4 stations in the County, instead of letting the big cities like Birmingham and Mobile get all the money.
Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on September 27, 2009 at 6:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)
WAtidefan: After catching up on overnight postings; I think there are some liberals ready for a Hale-Bopp adventure! Whew! What convoluted, vexatious meanderings of the mind!
Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on September 27, 2009 at 6:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)
alabamachris: Your assessment and insight of the liberal agenda is absolutely on target. Thank you for posting sensible, civil thoughts!
Posted by WAtidefan (anonymous) on September 27, 2009 at 10:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)
LoyalAmerican: you nailed it once again! Many thanks from me. alabamachris: we all can count on LoyalAmerican for on target comments. I tend to be more emotional especially when dealing with hypocrisy. My final postings in response to bcg were edited many times before being posted. I think I showed a good bit of restraint.
bcg:?????
Posted by Patrick (anonymous) on September 27, 2009 at 11:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)
As usual the conservative commenter’s’ have blurred the issue to confusion. As the previous comment session said they fall back on character assassinations and BS comments unrelated to the subject at hand. Maybe that is why when in power they accomplished nothing but doubling the debt, starting a meaningless war, destroying foreign relations, and causing the worst recession since the thirties. It is amazing this administration tries to work with them. The issue isn't me, liberals or Obama.
Posted by Patrick (anonymous) on September 27, 2009 at 11:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The issue for discussion here was healthcare. How can the nation get every American access to healthcare? The republican MINORITY has insisted this should not be done and clouded this issue with propaganda that it will make us a communist nation if we do this. They refuse to accept that healthcare cost too much for poor and middle class Americans to afford. Thus the government’s authority must be used to control cost, pool everyone’s money and provide access to healthcare. Similar to how government authority was used to control utility costs and give everyone access to electricity and telephones in the 20th century. Neither made us a communist nation, but much of the same propaganda was used to oppose those government actions.
Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on September 27, 2009 at 11:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)
WAtidefan: by doing some copy and pasting, we could help out ole' salty dog BCG, by placing the posts in a topic order. I believe from 2 threads alone there are 500 + blogs - 1/4 of which are from The BO's.
(For BCG, The BO's are The Blind Ones, of which you are One. You appear to have the ever slightest interest in the educational info we have presented, of which you 'have never read before in the Star News'. We haven't either. Local newspapers print local news.)
What was I proposing? I've forgotten.
Oh yes, someone with computer savvy without too much effort could gather this knowledge by topics, into a computer 'textbook' for our advantage, as well as for some very smart young people who'd very much appreciate this 'textbook'.
Can this be done?
Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on September 27, 2009 at 11:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)
WAtidefan: Every time one of these liberal bloggers write half-truths or outright lies and are challenged with facts, they never respond. As I have said before, it is a "shoot and scoot" mentality. They will never answer any legitimate question that can give more insight to the subject matter. I would think answering questions asked would be a way to get more of their point of view across. When anyone stands up and offers an opposing view, all the liberals do is name call and say hateful, spiteful words in response. This mentality reminds me of an incident many years ago. We were in our auto, in a large European city. A guy on a bicycle came on the passenger side, between our vehicle and the curb. He actually hit our vehicle with his fist, yelling and pointing at my husband to move over so he could continue to breeze through traffic on the wrong side. My husband told him NO! The guy started shouting and cursing. At that point my husband put the car in park, unfolded his 6'5" frame from the drivers side and asked the guy to repeat his little rant. I thought the guy was going to cry! The guy folded like a cheap tent (just like those who will not have a fair debate on this blog) and whimpered back into the traffic line! No doubt he was a socialist/liberal; all bluster and no substance!
Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on September 27, 2009 at 11:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)
For the record, don't confuse us with psuedo conservatives in the Democrat or Republican camps!
I myself, and my family, are Independents who vote for candidates that have proven themmselves to be Constitutionalists and pro Life. The two requirements are inseparable in my book. Just for the record.
Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on September 27, 2009 at 11:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)
LA: Great example!!! 6'5" eh?!
BO's, you'd better think twice about slandering someone on these posts if I were ya'll. We can find your rock under the briers.
Posted by WAtidefan (anonymous) on September 27, 2009 at 12:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Patrick: You claim to want clarity and discussions that are on topic, yet you start with the same old blame Bush/Republicans/conservatives. You brought up the national debt. Let's take a look at it. At the beginning of Obama's presidency the national debt was about half a trillion dollars. According to Obama admin projections, the 2009 national deficit will be very close to $1.6 trillion dollars. Their long term projections show the creation of $9 trillion dollars of debt in the next ten years. That is about $3 million of new national debt every minute (new debt not spending). During an 8 hour workday, our national debt will increase by more than $1.4 billion.
I don't recall anyone saying that we don't need healthcare reform. We do not agree with the Obama plan. Liberals love to tout how wonderful heath care is in Britain and Canada. Well, that isn't the story I get from friends who have lived and are living under those systems. These are not stories in the newspaper; these are people I know personally. Oh course, for you it is the greedy doctors, the hate filled uncaring conservatives that don't want Americans to have health care. That, too, is the more of the same. Why is it always propaganda when someone disagrees with you?
Posted by bluecollarguy (anonymous) on September 27, 2009 at 12:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)
....Shamrock : You still havn't told me what the 'point' is, what message you are trying to convey to the readers, I do not want to be a Blind One, I told you what you wanted to know about me. Talk in 'plain' Antioch talk, something I can understand.
Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on September 27, 2009 at 1:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Shamrock: Re: 11:22....Absolutely!
Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on September 27, 2009 at 1:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)
BCG: Do you read what LoyalAmerican, Rgodwin, Winkie, WAtidefan, Justwingit, Alabamachris, morecowbell, ME, have written on the 3 exceptionally educational threads?
Maybe you don't know how to access them, I can understand that. I don't know what else we can do to make you understand our point of view - it's been explained and re-explained umpteen times.
Would it be easier for you to read the answers in a more presentable form?
If so, you can click on Loyal's name on any of her blogs which will take you to ALL her posts - click on 'view all' and BINGO! there they are. It even tells you where to find the thread (article) she posted on. Just remember, they're listed backwards. You can do this with any name, like mine. That's how I did your profile. I read ALL your blogs.
BCG: you have to desire to know the truth about a subject. If you don't and just repeat the liberal progressives shoot and scoot poison arrows (I love that one), and are then put on The Blind Ones infamous list. Most people with common sense avoid the BO's - shake their heads and walk away. Don't be a BO, you're just too old of an American to do that!
Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on September 27, 2009 at 1:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)
To The Blind Ones:
Everyone of us - the Truth Seekers - have explained the truth in as many ways and means as possible. I admit, my patience is not near the largess of LA, Rgodwin and WAtidefan.
WE have gained and you have foundered! By your incessant bullying (were ya'll bullies in school?), you've managed to destroy what credibility you may have thought you had. Perhaps this is just a personal ego exercise for yourselves - to see how far we'll go with the shoot and scoot game.
Whatever the case, we shall proceed as WE decide - not you's Blind Ones. We set the pace, you may follow with your tail between your legs if you so choose.
Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on September 27, 2009 at 1:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)
BCG: If you are sincere, I suggest you start with: WHO'S THE REAL RACISTS?, and once you have that locked and loaded, proceed to Afghanistan article and on to Civility. You can't help but see the extreme CONTRAST in quality, tone, and truthfulness between The Blind Ones and The Truth Seekers.
BCG, it's a no brainer.
Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on September 27, 2009 at 1:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Time for Sunday Dinner with family. Love the time spent with family, don't you?
Posted by lookeyhere (anonymous) on September 27, 2009 at 4:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)
bluecollarguy wrote.... "Talk in 'plain' Antioch talk,something I can understand." Uh well uh I will try. Are you ready? Get on your mark. Get set. Go! OBAMA SUCKS! OBAMA SUCKS! OBAMA SUCKS!
Posted by iamabookworm (anonymous) on September 27, 2009 at 4:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I can't speak for the rest of the people who post here but as for myself, all of LA & Tidefan's questions are redundant. I don't care to spend all of my valuable free time constructing answers to questions that it doesn't matter how you answer, you will not be able to satisfy them. Most of the people here wouldn't know truth if it slapped them in the face. It is obvious that they have lost the ability to be have an objective opinion. Shamrock spoke of the HERESY OF EVOLUTION, I am still having a great laugh about that one. Quite an assortment of characters you are leading here LoyalAmerican, you should be soooo proud. I pick the people that I choose to associate myself with pretty carefully, I have high standards. You should be careful, knowing what I know about some of the regular posters here that you guys seem to hold in high regard, I can only assume that you and tidefan are of similar low character. RGodwin, he is truly a prize. See that is the thing about us liberals, it is not what you SAY you do upon which we judge a person, it is about what you actually DO. Estragon has such a way with words.........."Unfortunately, our health care system can not help you. There is no cure for either stupidity or dogmatism." Now that is something that I can agree with wholeheartedly, it is very unfortunate.
Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on September 27, 2009 at 4:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Lookey: for shame! This is an older fellow who is a little perplexed. He needs nurturing and kindness which he doesn't get from the BO's. Now be nice.
BCG: I forget the healthcare thread by Harry Hinson: Opinions: We Need Healthcare, Not Takeover..." a wealth of healthcare information for you to soak in.
Lookey that was a LOL. Did you get to read some of the ugliest man on earth? - winkie and justwingit were VERY funny. It was a nice change and needed laugh.
Posted by lookeyhere (anonymous) on September 27, 2009 at 6:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Shamrock yeah there are some real funny people on here.I think the liberals are hilarious.Although sometimes I wonder,how do they get access to a computer at the mental hospital.
Posted by bluecollarguy (anonymous) on September 27, 2009 at 7:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Now lookeyhere, I do not know of any situation, in any setting, anywhere, where it is Okay to make fun of the mentally challenged....it is a very serious subject that you are making 'fun' of. You should be 'ostrasized' by your co-hearts for those remarks.......and your remarks should not be condonned. Bluecollarguy.
Posted by bluecollarguy (anonymous) on September 27, 2009 at 7:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Lookeyhere,....also in closing for tonite, (I am watching the Wizard of Oz), you have 41 pages of 'posts'. 40 of the 41 pages let us all know that you use the word S***k in relation to President OBama, and that you hate your president. We all have it now, we know it by heart, so now you can "lay off', we got it. You don't like President OBama. Don't just keep on and on and on about. I understand, and everybody else understands, so now lets get on with new business, Nurse Wrachet.
Posted by lookeyhere (anonymous) on September 27, 2009 at 7:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
bluecollarguy you are correct I shouldn't be making fun of you and the rest of the mentally challenged liberals lol.
Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on September 27, 2009 at 7:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
bookworm: Yes, the same questions ARE asked more than should be necessary. That is because no questions asked are ever answered, therefore you have have no idea if your answer would be agreed with or argued. Apparently I have been asking questions of an illiterate; my apologies for thinking you are intelligent. Objective opinions abound on these pages, however, you and your ilk are the ones with closed minds. Your only objective is to attack others and show your total intolerance for any thinking, other than your own. You are truly a work of double standards. If the words you post are an indication of your "high standards", please keep those standards for yourself. You speak of fellow posters as if you know them personally, perhaps in social or work settings. I have never met anyone who posts on this site. So you have one up on me there. It appears that your goal in life is to attempt to hurt people and malign those you do not know. How does that feel bookworm, to discount other humans? Does it give you a warm glow, a feeling of satisfaction? Does it make you proud? In past posts you have said you "help people when you can". I'll bet I can count on one hand the number of people you have really "helped"! Your personality traits of sarcasm, hate filled words, deceit, intolerance and pompousness, are traits foreign to a truly giving person. You are so correct when you say that it is NOT what liberals say they do, it is what they DO. When you say you do something worthwhile, you are simply expelling hot air. What you DO, is cut down others and offer nothing of your own. Oh excuse me, those are the standards you use to JUDGE others!However, I stand by my interpretation of what you SAY and DO! Your type simply doesn't do original.....As a matter of fact, you had to quote the fine words of your god Estragon in your finale volley! To that my dear, I say to each of you; you both can be bought and sold with pocket change! I think you both suffer immense jealousy at the world...because you never really made it and have an overabundance of anger for not having done so!
Posted by WAtidefan (anonymous) on September 27, 2009 at 8:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)
bluecollarguy: Your buddy Estragon first suggested that we conservatives were patrons of the Andalusia Mental Health Clinic. Talk to Estragon.
iamabookworm: You know nothing of my character. How typical. When you can't debate the topic; attack the person. My liberal friends would not agree with you in your opinion that I am of low character. But, what you think is really of no consequence. Please, find something else to do with your free time. Volunteer work, perhaps? Or, spend more time investigating the conservatives who post here. Hmmm, what conclusion could we draw about the character of a person who snoops around trying to find information on people who are exercising their free speech rights? Just asking. Oh, and I don't think I have asked that question before. So, it isn't redundant, is it?
Posted by Estragon (anonymous) on September 27, 2009 at 8:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)
For a cogent discussion of health care reform, I would refer the readers of the Star News to the Opinion page of Sunday's Montgomery Advertiser. There is an article in that paper by Bill Chappell entitled, "Myths distort debate," that I highly recommend. Unlike Dr. Fekete's article, Mr. Chappell (who is a hospital administrator) understands the health care system and has a fact-oriented, reality-based opinion about the need for health care reform. Dr. Fekete's opinion (based on hearsay) seems motivated by ideology and profit (her own).
Posted by lookeyhere (anonymous) on September 27, 2009 at 8:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)
bluecollarguy wrote..."you have 41 pages of posts.40 of the 41 pages let us all know that you use the word S***k in relation to President Obama" Awe shucks,you don't have to brag on me.
Posted by winkie (anonymous) on September 27, 2009 at 9:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I missed all the good stuff!! Enjoyed reading your comment's. Hang in there with the Tea Parties so they will get our Health Care Reformed. Anyone noticed Nancy Policie hasn't been in the news sence the Acorn bust? Creepy!! Angelia Merckle will remain Germanys President. I saw a vote Sarah Palin 2012 on an a bumper sticker. Where can I get one?
Posted by WAtidefan (anonymous) on September 27, 2009 at 9:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)
One of the sources Mr. Chappell sites is the Center for American Progress. This is a liberal group with direct ties to the Obama administration. One of the liberal donors to CAP is George Soros. No surprise that information from CAP fits hand in glove with ObamaCare. Of course, Dr. Fekete doesn't live in reality and Bill Chappell obviously does. Know why? 'Cause Estragon says so, that's why.
Perhaps Estragon would like for Michelle Obama to be the Healthcare Commissioner. She does has some experience working in a hosptial. Take some time to read about MO and the Urban Health Initiative at the University of Chicago Hospital.
Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on September 27, 2009 at 10:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)
WAtidefan: mole....you know the word is not Commissioner......it is CZAR. MO and BO enjoy those "fancy" sounding words. Seriously, I too, read the Montgomery Advertiser opinion by Mr. Chappell. After seeing Center for American Progress as one of his sources, and his view regarding tort reform, I knew it was a lost effort! Trial lawyers and democrats are snuggled in bed together. Also, at the end of the article it stated Mr. Chappell has been associated with Montgomery hospitals since 1977. A lot can be said for career longevity, but in his field, that could impose on him a rather stagnant view.
Posted by bluecollarguy (anonymous) on September 27, 2009 at 10:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
lookeyhere......Freud's understanding of the mind was largely based on interpretive methods,..and focused observations of 'repressed' feelings. You, sir, ..keep using the word s**k associated with OBama. "Neo-Freudian results can only come to 'one' conclusion.
Posted by WAtidefan (anonymous) on September 27, 2009 at 10:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)
LoyalAmerican: yes, you are correct. It is Czar. My apologies. I haven't been myself since bcg (aka Dr. Freud) discovered the truth about me. I am hoping I can convince the Republican group out of DC to let me keep my Batman Secret Decoder ring for old times sake. Mementoes are so important to former thwarters like me.
Signing out.... WAtidefan... The Mole
Posted by whereisthecommonsense (anonymous) on September 28, 2009 at 10:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Folks, for God's sake look at your EOB's from your insurance companies, you will quickly note that there are no Doctors getting rich off of medical tests!!!! The only ones truly getting rich are the insurance companies, this is where reform is needed. Ever notice during our financial crisis you didnt see health insurance companies having money problems......
Posted by Estragon (anonymous) on September 28, 2009 at 12:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Commonsense: I agree with you. Health insurance companies are getting rich under our current, unsustainable system.
Doctors also are doing well despite what the EOB might say. First, there is a wide discrepancy in compensation within the universe of physicians. Primary care physicians, who normally see patients in their offices, are getting the short end of the stick as they receive reimbursement primarily for OV's ("office visits"). Insurance companies and Medicare only accept $65 to $90 as an allowable charge for an OV. Physicians who are specialists and perform procedures are compensated a great deal more than primary care physicians because the allowable charge for procedures is much higher than OV's. Additionally, specialists unbundle the procedure and bill under separate codes what is essentially one procedure. They also get well compensated for pre-op and post-op consultations. For the most part, medical tests or procedures that are ordered by physicians are performed in labs or health care entities. The lab or facility gets paid a "lab fee" or "facility fee" for performing this test or procedure. Many physicians, however, are able to tap into this facility fee compensation. One way to do this is to own the ambulatory surgery centers where minor surgeries and procedures such as endoscopies and colonoscopies are performed that they order for their patients. Some hospitals (especially the for-profit ones) have creative reimbursement schemes with the physicians who are their big admitters. For example, an OR in the hospital will be "sold" to a corporation that is a paper entity owned by the physicians who are big admitters. The OR is then leased back to the hospital and the lease payments are based on the number of procedures that the physicians perform in the OR. Finally, the kickbacks to physicians from home health care companies and Durable Medical Equipment companies are legendary. Usually, these payments take the form of "consulting fees," but there are other methods of making what are essentially payments for the referral of patients.
There is a saying that if you love sausage, it is best not to know how it is made. The same goes for a lot of other things. I sometimes think it is best not to know how medicine is practiced, otherwise you would never go to a hospital or a doctor.
Posted by lookeyhere (anonymous) on September 28, 2009 at 4:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)
bluecollardguy wrote..."Neo-Freudian results can only come to 'one' conclusion." Uh yeah it means you voted for obama because you have a purple lip fetish.Hang in there things could be worse.
Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on September 28, 2009 at 5:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Dr. Fekete, thank you for writing such an informative article. The majority of the people who both read and write in this blog know that you know exactly what you’re talking about in the details that you’ve given. You are correct in that Obama’s and the Dem’s plan is lunacy! It kills me that the liberals all want to say that conservatives don’t want health care reform which is like most everything else they say, a total lie! We would love to see true health care reform and we know it’s needed, but we do not need or want Obama care which is nothing more than more government control over our lives. I’m like you in that I believe we can stop it if we stand strong enough together and shout loud enough. Thank you again for standing for truth and taking time to write the article.
iamabookworm: thank you so much for your Sept 27, 2009 post at 4:46pm where you stated what a prize you think I am. I sure wish the feeling was mutual, but unfortunately it is not. I’m also glad that people such as you never enter my mind until you crawl out from under your rock on occasions to spew your mindless dribble. Then it’s very hard to just ignore you, even though I’m working on just that. You can’t say that you never think about me, because your past post would prove you out to be a liar. This is my first post in this blog, but you missed me so much that you brought me in before I even had time to post. Anyone who goes back and reads yours and at least 2 others blogs knows you’ve dug to find out who I am when all you had to do was send me a note and ask. I have not met one person on this blog and have no plans to unless they would like to meet me also, but you can bet on one thing and that is that I will never be prying into anyone else business like you and a couple of others have. To me that’s the funniest part. If I was trying to hide who I am, you can bet that I wouldn’t be listed as rgodwin. Maybe I should close out my account and open a new one as "bookwormsprize", but that’s not going to happen. I am who I am and don’t plan to change and you surely won’t change me. I have a long way to go to be the person I want and need to be, but I am much better and much smarter in the ways that count than you or any other left wing liberal. The difference in you and I is that I will always search for "the truth" about any subject and I will accept facts as truth even if it’s not what I want to hear, but liberals can not say that and mean it.
Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on September 28, 2009 at 5:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Poll: Support for Obamacare Plunges to All-Time Low
http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_h...
Posted by bluecollarguy (anonymous) on September 28, 2009 at 6:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)
......lookeyhere......'what you desire secret and hidden is your business, but this is a family newspaper, and I'd appreciate if you'd quit airing your demented desires in public using my name. I 'm sure there are other places on the internest that you can talk that dirty talk, but not here.
Posted by lookeyhere (anonymous) on September 28, 2009 at 9:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Nah I think I will hang around here bluecollardguy.Hey you think purple lips will send us a check?
Posted by 188822 (anonymous) on September 29, 2009 at 8:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Thank you so much estragon for recommending the article by Bill Chappell! I encourage everyone to read this article.
Posted by rgodwin (anonymous) on October 1, 2009 at 6:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I received this this morning. There is so much truth to it.
Random Thoughts On The Difference Between “Conservatives” And “Liberals” Sad but true...
If a, conservative doesn’t like guns, they don’t buy one. If a liberal doesn’t like guns, then no one should have one.
If a conservative is a vegetarian, they don’t eat meat. If a liberal is, they want to ban all meat products for everyone.
If a conservative sees a foreign threat, he thinks about how to defeat his enemy. A liberal wonders how to surrender gracefully and still look good.
If a conservative is homosexual, they quietly enjoy their life. If a liberal is homosexual, they loudly demand legislated respect.
If a black man or Hispanic is conservative, they see themselves as independently successful. Their liberal counterparts see themselves as victims in need of government protection.
If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation. A liberal wonders who is going to take care of him.
If a conservative doesn’t like a talk show host, he switches channels. Liberals demand that those they don’t like be shut down.
If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn’t go to church. A liberal wants any mention of God or religion silenced.
If a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it. A liberal demands that his neighbors pay for his.
Posted by LoyalAmerican (anonymous) on October 2, 2009 at 1:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)
rgodwin: Perfect!
Posted by rutherfords_1 (anonymous) on October 5, 2009 at 9:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)
liberal,conservative....they're all the same.
Posted by Shamrock (anonymous) on October 15, 2009 at 6:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
rutherfords: you must be jesting. They are all the same how? And what does your statement offer? Perhaps you should stick to what you know which is of value.
Posted by captaindon (anonymous) on November 7, 2009 at 6:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I have said on other sites that real reform is needed but this is not reform it is an attack against the American people and just like the war in Afghanistan its true purpose is to kill off Americans. Nice going Obama or as I call him O-Hitler.
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